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I spent a fair bit of time upside down in a 68 Camaro. Sliding down the highway at 100 miles per hour, sparks flying as the metal roof ground away, glass everywhere, spinning like a top. We did that a few times a year. Then we'd rebuild it for a month or two, and go do it all over again. Until the day that an oak tree wouldn't allow us to pass. If someone had told us that our car would become an $80-100,000.00 collector car someday, we would have laughed at them. Give me a 4 bbl Edelbrock carb, three pedals, and an 8-Track tape deck any day.
 

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Loved it! What Bob said - give me rock, roll, and the throaty rumble of a V-8 any day. I only wish that I had kept a few of those cars. There's also something to be said for bench seats and a cute gf cuddled-up by your side & shifting for you while you were cruising the drag . . .
 

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Wow, 180 mph+ on the last straight away, pretty cool.
 

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4 barrel Edelbrocks were Carter AFB's back in the day.. 4150 Holley person myself.

Technology is inarguably amazing! 640 HP!! 10 speed automatic, who would ever have guessed? Quote from article: Put simply, there's no shame in going for a 2 pedal ZL1 this time around. I guess that's true but it sure aint the same either.. Combined with modern options like computerized 'Traction Control' negates a shit ton of driving skills.. call me old fashioned but it's accurate.
 

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Chevy runs deep.

But that dodge hellcat man I might move on from chevrolet

That Camero is amazing all the same .

And affordable is the craziest part of the story.

As an aside did anyone watch fast n loud put an ls3 into a 911s? Nice
 

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That's a fast time, but the M4 they mentioned in the article had a faster time with 147 LESS hp. Even the track ready Camero is still overweight.

Chevy runs deep.

But that dodge hellcat man I might move on from chevrolet

That Camero is amazing all the same .

And affordable is the craziest part of the story.
The Hellcat doesn't even belong in this discussion. It's pretty much the definition of a straight line muscle car. Cool car, but totally different beasts.
 

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Technology is inarguably amazing! 640 HP!! 10 speed automatic, who would ever have guessed? Quote from article: Put simply, there's no shame in going for a 2 pedal ZL1 this time around. I guess that's true but it sure aint the same either.. Combined with modern options like computerized 'Traction Control' negates a shit ton of driving skills.. call me old fashioned but it's accurate.
Yeah give me a manual transmission any day! It might not be as fast, but it's going to be way more fun to drive. Sadly I think the days of manual transmissions are limited.
 

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I would rather have an old car over all these newer ones. No sensors to fuddle you up.Easy to tune up. Didn't need at these electronic pieces of shit to do the work for you. But the older cars were just fun.
 

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The manual transmission was doomed back in 1940 when the automatic was first introduced by GM. As much fun as they are and enjoyable to drive the sad truth is you just can't put on eye liner or lipstick with one, text, have a cell phone to your ear, scroll through menus just to find a radio station, eat a hamburger and fries or sip coffee and still shift gears.

In addition, the new 8 and 10 speeds accelerate faster and get better mileage than the same car with a manual. The 8 speed in my truck is simply amazing. I routinely cross Washington's highest highway pass-often with a trailer-and the transmission is always in the right gear. Upshifts are so smooth you have to watch the tach to see when they happen and steep uphill downshifts are almost imperceptible.

The 10 speed in the Camaro pictured is a joint product of Ford and GM engineering teams that they developed together. It was a huge engineering effort and the results are looking spectacular at this point. A big heavy sedan touring the 'Ring in sub 7'30'' time is just amazing and the fact that he just put the gear selector in "D" and drove with no further communication with the gear box speaks volumes about how good these things are.

Touring the 'Ring that fast in anything requires a good memory, a steady hand, a superb chassis and case hardened balls!
 

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As much as I like the muscle cars back in the day, the new high performance iron is far superior to them. And yes, I owned a few back in the day. I had a '69 Charger R/T, 4 speed, Dana 60 posi, headers, and needed 98 octane to keep in from pinging under hard acceleration. It was fast, comfortable, and handled pretty well for its day. I also owned a "74 Duster 360 4-speed that had W2 racing heads, upgraded rear end, headers, slightly lowered front end, 60 series rear tires, 70 series front tires (they were radial Dunlop GTs). It was also fast. The Charger got 9 MPG if I kept my foot out of it, which I didn't, so I got 5-6 MPG. And although I drove it at 135 mph at times, I wouldn't recommend doing so unless you're on a closed course. The Duster got 13 MPG and covered the 1/4 mile in a little less than 13 seconds.

My younger brother had a '70 Chevelle SS with the big daddy 454 hi-po and I had a friend who had a '70 Challenger with a 426 Hemi. These were wickedly fast, but like my Charger, got like 8-9 MPG when you drove them easy, and 4-5 MPG when driven the way they were built to be driven.

All these cars took about 260' to stop from 70 MPH on dry roads, at some rain, and the stopping distance went up because antilock brakes didn't exist.

And all of these cars required tune-ups every 12-15,000 miles.

Today, my daily driver is an '05 Dodge Magnum RT 5.7 Hemi. It has 350 HP, gets 25 MPG on the highway, gets 20.5 MPG overall, and out handles and out brakes the '69 Charger, the '74 Duster, the '70 Chevelle, and the '70 Challenger Hemi. In fact, it does the 1/4 miles faster than those muscle cars by more than a second. A tune-up consists of spark plugs every 70,000 (I use E3 plugs).

And my fun car is my '91 Corvett ZR-1, a 400 hp supercar capable of 185 MPH. It gets 25 MPG on the highway, corners at over 1.0 g's, stops from 70 MPH in 150', and a tune-up consists of spark plugs. I've driven this car 140 MPH, but don't recommend anyone do so unless on a closed track because you never know when some idiot will do something dumb like pull out in front of you to pass a truck on a rural interstate with little traffic. And at 140 MPH, things come up pretty damn fast.

And the new C7 Corvette has 450 bhp and gets 29 MPG. And the C& Corvette ZO6 has 630 bph, gets 28 MPG, and tops out at close to 200 MPH. It can also stop from 70 in 130'.

The bottom line is todays vehicles are far better than fire-breathers of the muscle car era of the mid-60's to '72. I loved the muscle cars back in their time, but I will not trade the new, high performance cars for them. The new ones are far better, faster, handle very well, and stop a whole lot better than the muscle cars of old.

Ii remember back in the day (I graduated high school in 1971) the middle-aged folks waxing poetic about Hupmobiles, flat head Ford hot rods, etc. Just like folks are doing now with muscle cars of the 60's and 70's.
 
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Loved it! What Bob said - give me rock, roll, and the throaty rumble of a V-8 any day. I only wish that I had kept a few of those cars. There's also something to be said for bench seats and a cute gf cuddled-up by your side & shifting for you while you were cruising the drag . . .
Those were the days !
 
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