[toadthedry]

I have read about tying a second chironomid on for lake fishing by tying 18 or so inches of tippet onto the tippet above the top chironomid with an improved clinch knot and then tying your bottom chironomid to the end of this tippet.

I did this today and it increased the number of takes I got on my top fly.

None of the fish I caught today were particularly large. My question is how likely would it be that a decent fish would cause that clinch knot to cut through the tippet on the top fly? I am using 4x and 5x fluorocarbon.


Also I have heard of tying the bottom fly on by tying its tippet through the eye of the top fly. I seem to have enough trouble getting one tippet through the eye of the chironomids I have been using. How big of a hook do you need to use to get the two tippets through?

Any other good ways of attaching the bottom fly without affecting the top fly as much?

Thanks
Mike

 

[troutpocket]

I fish mostly #10-14 hooks and have no problem getting two pieces of 3x fluorocarbon tippet through the eye. I use a no-slip loop knot to attach the top fly then an improved clinch knot to add additional tippet for the bottom fly. Definitely improves your ability to hook fish with the top fly.

 

[Irafly]

I fish mostly #10-14 hooks and have no problem getting two pieces of 3x fluorocarbon tippet through the eye. I use a no-slip loop knot to attach the top fly then an improved clinch knot to add additional tippet for the bottom fly. Definitely improves your ability to hook fish with the top fly.

This. Did I mention "This" Troutpocket nailed it. I believe that you have increased your odds of cutting through your top leader when a fish takes the bottom fly. If you want to fish a smaller pattern, use it as your bottom fly, and use a micro leech or bigger mid as your top pattern.

 

[Jerry Metcalf]

"Look at me" fly on top, "Bite me" fly on the bottom.

 

[bobl]

I have read about tying a second chironomid on for lake fishing by tying 18 or so inches of tippet onto the tippet above the top chironomid with an improved clinch knot and then tying your bottom chironomid to the end of this tippet.

I did this today and it increased the number of takes I got on my top fly.

None of the fish I caught today were particularly large. My question is how likely would it be that a decent fish would cause that clinch knot to cut through the tippet on the top fly? I am using 4x and 5x fluorocarbon.

Also I have heard of tying the bottom fly on by tying its tippet through the eye of the top fly. I seem to have enough trouble getting one tippet through the eye of the chironomids I have been using. How big of a hook do you need to use to get the two tippets through?

Any other good ways of attaching the bottom fly without affecting the top fly as much?

Thanks
Mike

I agree with Trout Pocket.

 

[toadthedry]

Thanks for the replies. I will give it a try. Think I need to go shopping for a new set of eyes.

 

[Golden Trout]

Larger fly above blood knot and smaller 2 1/2 feet below it. This allows the upper fly to slide, freely.

 

[Buzzy]

Thanks for the replies. I will give it a try. Think I need to go shopping for a new set of eyes.

I struggle trying to see eyes on small hooks even though my glasses and my sunglasses are prescription bifocals. To help, I bought these: http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/78061.aspx?kw=glasses&processor=content (5 diopter models). Instead of struggling to tie knots and find the eye of the hooks, swap glasses and I can see (but oh my oh my, focal distance is short and fixed).

By the way, what @troutpocket said.

 

[CrockPot]

Tie over hand knots to pre- made leaders then loop above your tippet knot. Easier to change out.

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[toadthedry]

I just tied a dropper into the eye of my top chironomid. My top chironomid sits at an angle due to being pulled by the lower chironomid. In a way it makes sense that the bottom chironomid would affect the top as the bottom one is tied through the top's eye. I am not dong it in the water but I would think it will still have that effect.

Am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks

 

[troutpocket]

I just tied a dropper into the eye of my top chironomid. My top chironomid sits at an angle due to being pulled by the lower chironomid. In a way it makes sense that the bottom chironomid would affect the top as the bottom one is tied through the top's eye. I am not dong it in the water but I would think it will still have that effect.

Am I doing something wrong here?

Thanks

Fish don't care if the top fly hangs at an angle . Also, consider something other than a chironomid for your top fly. Like a small leech or PT nymph.

 

[toadthedry]

I will have to field test it- seems a bit funny to fish a almost horizontal chironomid but fortunately I am not a fish.

Has anyone tried leaving a long tag end on the non slip loop knot for the top fly and then tying the bottom fly in that?

Has anyone tried a trilene knot instead of an improved clinch knot if tying a dropper to the tippet above the top fly?
Thanks

 

[Wayne Kohan]

Hanging a fly with a length of tippet from above will lead to tangles. Doing it Troutpocket's way will not so much. I have tried both ways. Anytime you have two lengths of tippet whipping around, you are asking for trouble.

Wayne

 

[tkww]

Has anyone tried leaving a long tag end on the non slip loop knot for the top fly and then tying the bottom fly in that?

Has anyone tried a trilene knot instead of an improved clinch knot if tying a dropper to the tippet above the top fly?
Thanks

Personally not a huge fan of using tag ends, but I haven't experimented that much with it. Yes to the trilene, I find it to be a far better knot than the improved clinch. However, if you're running it through the eye, you're now talking about three pieces through the eye instead of just two. Doable but not much fun with smaller eyes.

 

[toadthedry]

Thanks.

I was talking about using a trilene knot to the tippet above the top fly to be clear.

 

[PhilR]

So, are we not tying a clinch knot to the bend of the top fly any more?

 

[Buzzy]

So, are we not tying a clinch knot to the bend of the top fly any more?

I'm trying to divorce myself from this long practice. Can't tell you how many times the tag fly, tied in at the bend of the lead fly, comes up missing. And it seems that no matter how well tied on and cinched up the clinch or improved clinch was, I could come up "missing" that dang tag. I like troutpocket's method, seems to work:

I know, only perch.

 

[ryfly]

I'm with PhilR,

The to the bend. I catch fish on the tipper AND the dropper.

 

[Flyn'dutchman]

I tried the method of tying both the leader and a dropper into the eye of the upper fly yesterday. Caught fish on both flies. Yes it leaves the upper at an odd angle. I did break two off on the take on the bottom fly. I think sometimes the lower tippet material gets wrapped on the hook wrong and it gets cut. I have used a tippet ring in the past and left a long tag on the initial tie in of the leader and tied the upper fly to that then tied the lower tippet material to the ring for the lower fly. Is a stronger set up but takes time. I don't have much trouble with the upper tag getting tangled. Tied to the bend is still the fastest and strongest in my opinion.

 

[7919]

So, are we not tying a clinch knot to the bend of the top fly any more?

im convinced thats the worst way to run double flies in pretty much any situation.