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Ok, I've always been an honorable fly-fisherman who uses only God honest flies. But I find spey casting does great damage to the flies, much greater than single-handed fly casting. Today I damaged about 10 flies, from Wooly Buggers to Clouser's Minnows to shrimps. A #2 Wooly Bugger lasted only 2 casts! I didn't tie them myself, for my vision is not very good. I bought them from eBay or Orvis, each costs about $2 to $4. So, facing this financial stress, I'm thinking seriously about casting the good old Spoons or Spinners (for SRC or salmon). They should last longer.

Am I the only crazy person here? Anyone tried that? How's the air dynamics? Do fish bite???

(I'm talking about 11.5' switch rod, double-hand overhead casting on saltwater beaches.)
 

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Could be shitty flies. I know some flies that you should never get wet. I know - lame - but true. I try to make mine somewhat nuke proof. Can't think how a spey cast in itself would wreck a decent fly.
 

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Flies should last a lot longer then two casts.
Sounds like a combination of poorly tied flies and some casting issues, especially with your backcast.
A well tied saltwater fly can be fished all day, even after getting dinged on the beach.
Watch Nick Clayton's clouser tying video if you want to learn to tie saltwater flies that are super durable.
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/threads/stinger-clouser-video.110873/

If you aren't having this issue with the single hander, have you considered going back to it?
What advantage do you think the switch will provide you off the beach that a single hander won't?
There really no need for spinners or spoons on a fly rod to catch fish off the beach.
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No, I haven't. I hear it can be done, but I have a spinning rod I can use if I want to cast spoons or spinners. As mentioned above, it looks like you have issues with your casting style. Neither Spey casting nor overhead casting should be destroying flies that are even half way well tied.

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Thanks for the replies, upstairs.

Someone mentioned back cast, hmm...., This sounds like a possible cause! Maybe the fly hit the beach on back cast. Other than that, I can't think of any bad casting style can damage flies. OK, try to watch it next time, see if it's the real cause.. Thank you guys.
 

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Yup! Over the years I managed to find a few 'fly rod' size lures, spoons, etc.. Although a bit of a challenge to adapt to, they will catch fish. Use a swivel to attach your tippet for tying on the lure, spoon, etc. and try different retrieve speeds to get a desired action. The miniature poppers are great fun.
Anyone remember 'fludders' for imparting action to flies?
 

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Thanks for the replies, upstairs.

Someone mentioned back cast, hmm...., This sounds like a possible cause! Maybe the fly hit the beach on back cast. Other than that, I can't think of any bad casting style can damage flies. OK, try to watch it next time, see if it's the real cause.. Thank you guys.
That pretty much has to be it. Simply casting a fly in the air and pulling it through water will not destroy them in 2 casts. My guess is you're dragging the beach. I do this too (bad casting), but I tie my flies tough so they last a long time (multiple trips out on one fly).
 

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Yup! Over the years I managed to find a few 'fly rod' size lures, spoons, etc.. Although a bit of a challenge to adapt to, they will catch fish. Use a swivel to attach your tippet for tying on the lure, spoon, etc. and try different retrieve speeds to get a desired action. The miniature poppers are great fun.
Anyone remember 'fludders' for imparting action to flies?
And for awhile, weren't there flies tied with small spinners and propellers in the front? I think even Hardy had some flies like that back in the 1930s.
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Hardy and others produced salmon flies with spinners at the front. These weren't considered flies for casting, mostly 'harling' or trolling the fly behind a boat or canoe where the person behind the oars would move the boat back and forth across the current covering the various lies where a salmon might be holding.
Not that they couldn't be cast, just not very pleasant. Which is the same with 'bucktailing' or 'skip fly fishing' where the fly is trolled in the bubble trail of the motor. One cast of 20' or so and you're fishing - sort of.
 
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Ok, I've always been an honorable fly-fisherman who uses only God honest flies. But I find spey casting does great damage to the flies, much greater than single-handed fly casting. Today I damaged about 10 flies, from Wooly Buggers to Clouser's Minnows to shrimps. A #2 Wooly Bugger lasted only 2 casts! I didn't tie them myself, for my vision is not very good. I bought them from eBay or Orvis, each costs about $2 to $4. So, facing this financial stress, I'm thinking seriously about casting the good old Spoons or Spinners (for SRC or salmon). They should last longer.

Am I the only crazy person here? Anyone tried that? How's the air dynamics? Do fish bite???

(I'm talking about 11.5' switch rod, double-hand overhead casting on saltwater beaches.)
get a side planer, then you can even use hot shot plugs.
 
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get a side planer, then you can even use hot shot plugs.
I started this side planing b.s. On the Sauk river. Some drift boaters called me an elitist snob as they pulled plugs over my fly line one day,pissed me off. So I found a side planer in the bargain basket at a sports store & carried it with me until our next encounter. With great glee I deployed the plug & side planer right off the Bow of their boat. When a steelhead hit the plug I was as shocked as they were & had one hell of a time reeling that fish in. How's that for elitist I shouted as I released that fish !
 

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If you are damaging flies on the beach, there is usually one specific issue and that is your backcast. The beaches are sloped and a normal backcast with a single hand rod can provide some issues as well. Normally it's an issue with the stop on the cast. You are most likely allowing the rod to drift back too far and as a result, the line is dipping toward the beach behind. Because of the slope of the beach the fly ticks the rocks behind and either breaks the hooks or damages the tied portion of the fly. Barnacles have a tendency to chew up the flies, too. They also play hell on the retrieve if the flies scrape the bottom on the way in. Have someone watch your cast and see if that is the issue.
 

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Flies should last a lot longer then two casts.
Sounds like a combination of poorly tied flies and some casting issues, especially with your backcast.
A well tied saltwater fly can be fished all day, even after getting dinged on the beach.
Watch Nick Clayton's clouser tying video if you want to learn to tie saltwater flies that are super durable.
http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/threads/stinger-clouser-video.110873/

If you aren't having this issue with the single hander, have you considered going back to it?
What advantage do you think the switch will provide you off the beach that a single hander won't?
There really no need for spinners or spoons on a fly rod to catch fish off the beach.
SF
Yes, Nick's flies are amazingly durable and casts well.
I bought some from him - clousers and stingers for coho, pinks, and sockeyes.
They are still going great - very little wear except for the dumbbell eyes wearing.

I don' t back cast on the salt as I am afraid of the beach goers - I use the snake roll, perry poke, single spey and dynamic roll casts....
 

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I can use the same fly for days. Not sure where your getting your flies. Really cappy casting will destroy even very well tied flies. My clients, who are novice casters, go through as many as a dozen flies a day.

Another note, if you can't cast a fly very well, why in the world would you contemplate trying to cast harware?
 

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Ok, I've always been an honorable fly-fisherman who uses only God honest flies. But I find spey casting does great damage to the flies, much greater than single-handed fly casting. Today I damaged about 10 flies, from Wooly Buggers to Clouser's Minnows to shrimps. A #2 Wooly Bugger lasted only 2 casts! I didn't tie them myself, for my vision is not very good. I bought them from eBay or Orvis, each costs about $2 to $4. So, facing this financial stress, I'm thinking seriously about casting the good old Spoons or Spinners (for SRC or salmon). They should last longer.

Am I the only crazy person here? Anyone tried that? How's the air dynamics? Do fish bite???

(I'm talking about 11.5' switch rod, double-hand overhead casting on saltwater beaches.)
 

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Hey I wander the same thing my flies seem to slip backwards to the bend of the hook.I have tried black magic rubber fish they seem to last longer than woolly buggers.I think a spinner has got to be stronger than a wooly bugger, so yeah go for it!
 
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