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Fished two lakes May 9 and 10--then the weather shut us out. May 9 I was fortunate enough to spend the day with Brian Chan on one of the lakes he actually built when he was working for the Fisheries Dept. This was my first time fishing for trout in B.C. and it was a trip I'll never forget.

I took my non fly fishing wife on this trip, so we stayed in Kamloops. Probably the best decision too, as apparently the Hwy. 24 lakes are still mostly frozen, and even Kamloops was having some flooding problems. The lake we fished was a little higher elevation than Kamloops, 1800' or so, water temp was 56°, OAT about 60°. Wx was mostly sunny with a few clouds.

Brian--I just love the guy. He's all science and methodology. He has a G3 1756 skiff with a 40 hp Yami tiller, two sonar units, two electric anchors, a $16 Berkeley rod holder which you will want to get to replace the Scotty holders, and of course a great assortment of flies, of which I had none, mainly because I didn't bring hayhooks and black rope as that's how big the midges seemed!


We started out stripping dragon flies along the bottom using my Deep 6, and I hooked up almost immediately with maybe 4-5 more in the next 30 minutes or so. Here's my first B.C. trout, and one of the smaller ones of the day. Two strains in this lake--Fraser River and Blackwater--got about 50/50 of each, this of course a Blackwater.



Once he spotted some fish on the sonar, we went to indicators, using size 10,12, and on occasion a 14 midge. I don't think I own a midge bigger than 18. We were fishing 22' -34' down, all new to me. I rarely fish with indicators, and when I do it's usually about 12', not 30. I brought two rods, a 5 wt.glass rod and a 6 wt. 9' Z-Axis as a "back up." It became quite apparent the 580 glass rod would be completely inappropriate. I'd say that Z-Axis was the minimum I'd ever use in these waters as more than once I thought I was going to snap it on a fish, especially being so deep and so close to the boat. Incredible fighters!

Once we got a fish on the bobber, Brian grabbed it and pumped the throat (not the stomach). He carries specimen bottles, and examines the contents carefully, and adjusts the fly accordingly.


We then went to the straight down, fast sinking line approach which I've never tried. Rex and Buzzy were telling me about the "vicious" strikes using this method. Brian in his ever demeure manner, said, "yep, it will wake you up." About five minutes later as we were chatting, I felt my arm flying up as the rod crashed into the water, and I think I cut loose a non-Canadian style expletive! Jesus! I have never had a strike like that!

We moved around some, talked to some other boaters who of course all know him, and I was shocked at the open sharing of information--that's unheard of down here and so refreshing. I ended up with over 20 to the net, probably lost (through my own fault mostly as I rarely go down to 5x tippet when fish this size are available ) another 10 or so. Three were under 18", the rest were up to 26" and all top, top quality fish, mostly 3-5 lbs.. I was blown away when Brian told me these fish were all one year old and were 2016 4-5" fingerling plants!

Day 2 Edith Lake (on my own)
When I first got to Edith nature called and I needed to drop a deuce. There was an outhouse which is always downright disgusting at lakes--but with no real choice I opened the door and this is what I saw:



I've spent a good part of my real estate development career using these on sites, and I always thought they came from the factory with mud and toilet paper and burrito wrappers on the floor! This was so typical of every inch of Canada that we saw--clean, pristine, no impact. Even better than Oregon.

Brian likes Edith, and recommended it as I didn't really have that many options with a passenger car rental, which I'd never do again up there as the roads are a long ways from level, plus some of the lakes were inaccessible due to road flooding. Weather was clear at first, then because cloudy with some rain. I gave it four hours without so much as a maybe. I was completely unprepared with only my float tube, no sonar as I was close to overweight for the plane, didn't have the right midges either, and saw only one fish taken on the lake on a flatfish. None of the fly fishermen got anything. Disappointed? No, not too much, as the education I got from Brian was much more important for the next time, and the previous day being so great helped too.



The next day we had planned to tour some wineries in the Okanagan but roads were flooded so we worked our way back to Vancouver and spent a couple of days there. Haven't been there since the 70s, man that place has grown into a world class city with a great vibe.

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If I added up the poundage and lengths for the day, it's probably the best trout fishing I've ever had, plus I'm just not used to the uber high quality of stillwater trout in this size. I'm super happy with 5-6 good fish over 20" from Craine Prairie for a days work, and Brian actually felt bad that the day wasn't better! With that said, I'm still not a convert to bobber fishing, as I'm addicted to the often smashing takes when stripping nymphs or streamers, plus it seems to me you have to know there are fish very near you when indicator fishing--no searching. What I am now able to reconcile though is definitely using it when stripping doesn't work, instead of being my usual hard headed self and not trying it. As far as fishing the Deep 6 straight down and deep, oh hell yes, but probably a better technique for the boat than for a tube, given the choice.

I'd love to come back if I could mainly strip, which Brian says you can in October with shrimp, although it's cold. Maybe there are other lakes than have larger insects, I don't know, but I know I will be back, maybe meet up with some guys from the forum for a 24 trip. I also want to try the Yukon or N.W.T. for pike and grayling, never been to either. Brian also put me on to the Fernie area in the southeast corner of the province for big bull trout and pike. Sounds amazing.

For those who haven't done the B. C. lakes, most of you are within driving distance, so do it. It's worth the trip if for no other reason that the fish are all fingerling plants so they've learned the ways of wild fish, might even almost call them wild after a year or so.

Found some terrific restaurants in Kamloops too. Not too many years ago "great food" and "British Columbia" were not often found in the same sentence, but there are some highly creative foodies there now and we totally enjoyed every meal. And, I got to try Poutine and it's much better than it sounds!

Special thanks to forum members Robert Engleheart, Buzzy, Mark Yoshida, and Starman77 and some others for a ton of help for trip planning, there's no way I could have pulled this off without all of you, so grateful!

John
 

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Nice; I tried to book Brian last year when my grandson and I were there in June and he was booked when I called him in March. He is THE man when it comes to BC stillwaters. Glad to hear you had a successful trip. That's a gorgeous 'Bow. Did you encounter any red-eyed fish pirates?
BC will spoil one for sure.
 

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Very nice! What a great day fishing with Mr. Chan! But John, one slight correction: they're "indicators"! :)

Our group heads up June 4th for ten days. A fall trip sounds good! And I do know a lake where there are some "three year olds" and am told leave the 5 and 6 weights in the truck.....

Great report, thanks for sharing!
 

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We did well off highway 24 in mid-June stripping big dragonfly nymphs but the best part was hitting a Travelling Sedge hatch, almost non-stop dry fly action.
Speaking of food, we found the High Five Diner at the junction of Highway 24 in Little Fort to have an amazing menu; one of the best breakfasts I ever had and my grandson said same about his burger. All local grass fed beef, no GMOs. One of the most impressive pie safes I've ever seen.
 

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Yes everything a ways behind this year with a lot of lakes locked solid still... hence the reason I went Downhill skiing today with my daughter instead of fishing. It started snowing hard about 2:30 pm and the light got pretty flat above tree-line so we called it a day.... I of course took the long way home to check out the ice situation on a couple of favorite lakes on the way home... alas still ice bound but starting show signs of giving in to the warmer season... maybe another week and there will be some open water...... fingers crossed
 

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Great info, we were going to try 100 Mile House but had to cut it down to a couple days in central WA this year. That will definitely be next! I'm puzzled why stripping flies wouldn't work in the lakes you fished. Are there no damsels/dragons/leeches? I live by stripping when nothing else is going on and I've never (repeat never) found a lake where it wasn't a great way to find takers. Seen too many "midgers" stubbornly stick with an indicator while I was hauling them in on a gargantuan Carey or dragon.
 

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Great info, we were going to try 100 Mile House but had to cut it down to a couple days in central WA this year. That will definitely be next! I'm puzzled why stripping flies wouldn't work in the lakes you fished. Are there no damsels/dragons/leeches? I live by stripping when nothing else is going on and I've never (repeat never) found a lake where it wasn't a great way to find takers. Seen too many "midgers" stubbornly stick with an indicator while I was hauling them in on a gargantuan Carey or dragon.
We did strip dragons with good success off and on. My understanding from Brian, subject to correction from those that actually know what they're talking about in B.C., is that there are no baitfish in most of the Kamloops lakes, and also little to no structure, so midges are by far the primary food for the trout. Scuds are also present but not dominant feed. I believe in the higher elevations there are a greater variety of insects and methods other than bobber fishing are more common. I'm sure it's also seasonal. I'm fishing Crane and East in a couple of weeks, and apparently both are pretty much bobbers only as ice out just occurred and is still going on at East, so good hatches aren't happening yet--except for midges and of course leeches which also can work in B.C. (didn't for me).
 

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Great report and photos! Sounds like a great trip! Brian Chan is definitely the expert on chironomid fishing so you picked a good guide to learn from.

Glad you were able to experience the full sinking line deep water chironomiding experience! For me, it is a lot more fun and easier to do than using the "bobber" technique with long leaders and split shot. :)

You can certainly cast & strip flies on the BC lakes most any time of the year (except when they are iced over). Right after ice-off is a good time to cast & strip water boatmen patterns. Leeches work almost all the time, especially at dusk or soon after dusk. Scuds, damselfly nymphs and dragonfly nymphs work a lot of the time. In early June, as the Traveling Sedge hatches begin, you can cast and strip large caddis nymphs quite effectively. In the autumn, water boatmen again rule, along with most anything else as the fish are hungry. I hardly ever use my floating line any longer, preferring to cast & strip most of the year. I only do "bobber" fishing as a last resort these days. The "tug is the drug" is my motto!

There are some BC lakes that most certainly do have baitfish, mainly red-sided shiners which are used as bait by the ice fishermen. In that region Logan Lake and Courtney Lake are famous for having a ton of red-sided shiners in them, and because of that some of the trout grow to enormous sizes, like 14 pounders. It is pretty hard for an insect-eating trout to get to 14 pounds, but when a trout is eating a lot of protein in the form of baitfish, they grow very quickly.

I also love BC for the food, as the Canadians seem to place more emphasis on quality food than most. Even on the BC Ferries or in out of the way pubs, I find good food up there, for the most part. Maybe it is the French influence, but I don't know.

Very funny about the photo of the BC outhouse! :) But, it is true that the BC outhouses are usually cleaner than the ones in WA or OR, but not always, speaking from personal experience. And not all of them are stocked with toilet paper, so plan on taking a roll of your own.

Most Canadians are very willing to share information; maybe it is due to a smaller population or more lakes to fish to spread out the competition or maybe they are just friendlier people. However, in the years I've been fishing the BC lakes, they have been getting more crowded and it isn't as nice as it used to be, but still generally nicer than in WA or OR.

Too bad the fishing wasn't better at Edith, but every lake is different and lakes cycle, so you may go to Edith in two years and find it really good, you just never know. You can find a great lake, but go there the next year only to find out it had winter-killed and has no fish. And without a sonar device, it is much more difficult to learn a new lake and find out where the fish are hanging out. Even with a sonar device, I've been to some lakes a dozen times and still am learning the lake, as the fish change their favorite locations as the season changes or water levels change.

In addition to the excellent stillwater fishing, BC also has good river fishing. I especially enjoy fly fishing for the salmon (mainly pinks and Coho) on the BC rivers. You could spend the rest of your life going up to BC exploring new lakes and rivers, as I do, and never run out of possibilities to add to your list.

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Brain Chan used to be a biologist for the BC govt and did a lot of stocking in BC lakes.

He has a decent Youtube page and can be seen on TV shows such as "Sport Fishing on the Fly" sfotf.ca.

A bunch of videos here too: https://www.shaw.ca/ShawTV/ShowDetail/Default.aspx?id=21474864665
Thanks for sharing the link to the videos, much appreciated. Heading up to the Logan Lake area June 4th and am always looking for "new water". Some of the "old water" is still a lot of fun:
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Brian is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet- very kind and generous, and very open with sharing his knowledge. I'm glad you had a good time and positive experience up here in our waters- we're always more than willing to help out and share!
 

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