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I fish for them at night all the time. but they pick up bait off the bottom. it sounds weird but a piece of cut bait off your fly rod on the bottom at night or when you said you see them. there related to sharks and go by sense of smell to what they eat not sight especially deep water fish like them. good luck

about the bait on your fly rod canadians run cut plug herring off a down rigger on there fly rod, seen it on that fishin canada show on OLN.
 
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