As in all sports... you are only as good as your last event. Today, not so good.
I wouldn't have ever called Wilson an elite QB. He is good, but hasn't played long enough for that status call from me..... (ring or no ring)

Local talk radio is supposed to talk up local sports, thats their job. The guys that listen and follow , dont often think for themselves... they are sheeple.

minor set back.

 

You can't win them all. When they drafted Wilson, everybody thought he was to short. Last year he did nothing wrong and they won the Super Bowl. Every QB has a bad day now and then. Cut him some slack. If he chokes next time out then maybe you'll have a worry.

 

He was pretty mimdblowing on the road last week. Dallas were very good at covering the Seattle receivers and getting to Russell so he couldn't run all over them.

 

I think his performance today has to be viewed in the light of the fact that he was running for his life most of the game. The O-line protection was non-existent. Add to that a running game that couldn't get off the ground and some decent coverage in the secondary, and the Cowboys could pretty much pin their ears back and come after Wilson all day long.

 

No. But he's not in that kind of system, and he doesn't have those kind of tools around him. I watched the niners as kid starting in '72. My school couldn't give the free tickets for academic performance away to niner games in '77 and '78. I saw every home game for free those years. I saw OJ limp against a limping Namath for the Rams... Sad, but also kind of cool historically. I was there for the rise of Montana and the shift to Young. Russel doesn't have the supporting cast they had. Especially the O-line and receivers. Harvin is an amazing athelete, but you can't reliably count on guys who are explosive like that coming through game in and game out. He'll play his heart out, but returns and sweeps for touchdowns or 30 yards are not something you can expect to happen all the time.

No offense to Seahawk fans, but a lot of them don't understand what a "Dynasty" looks like. And frankly the days of holding on to 8 or 9 pro-bowlers for 5 or 6 years might be over, so there may never be another true dynasty. We got a Super Bowl! If it's 10 years until the next we should be happy.

 

Every Dog has his day. Wilson is a very good quarterback. He needs to season some. I look to see him in the Hall of Fame some day.

Their problems today, as I see it, is that the offensive line did not do much to protect him. Any quarterback that does not get the protection
of the front five is in trouble.

My take is that the Hawks have some great impact players. But the reason that they won so much last year was nobody knew what they
would run at them. This year, the defensive coordinators have had
film and games to study. I think it is time for Pete to come up with
some new stuff. I don't expect them to repeat last year, but I do not
expect them to roll over either. Go HAWKS

 

Russel is being asked to play the role of Jim McMahon in terms of style of play, but control the game like Peyton Manning. The scary thing is he seems to pull it off more often than not and he's only in his third year.

 

Good player. If you keep him in the pocket he makes no plays. He's good at getting out of the pocket. The bad offensive line talk is bs. Throw the ball Russ. Throw someone open. Make a play in the pocket.
Very good player, with one obvious weakness.

Go sox,
Cds

 

The bad offensive line talk is bs.

I'm not going to say that classic pocket play is his strong suit. But I think a repeat viewing of the pass plays from today's game would pretty quickly disprove your statement above. Wilson didn't run around all those times just because he didn't have the skills to stand and throw and instead has to make something happen. He ran around because there were guys in his face all game long (and because the secondary kept receivers well covered all the way to the whistle). And remember the 3 lost TDs from last week? O-Line penalties. That's not the kind of thing that a line playing well does.

 

Now, a good topic of discussion might be "Why can't Wilson get rid of the ball faster?" Is it bad play calling or is it just him? Look at Peyton Manning, guy doesn't get sacked a lot even when playing behind shady O-lines. He gets rid of the ball fast. Either throwing it away or playing the 5yd passing game. Can Wilson just not operate that quickly or is the play calling getting too clever? I would be inclined to guess play calling myself, but that's just my armchair GM talking.

 

I think he may be too busy with his "Pass the peace" initiative than passing the F...ing football for a touchdown Job!

 

Really? Sour grapes because of the loss or serious? Wondering how you'd do on a da as a pro football QB when your O line is not up to par. You might be changing from passing the peace to resting in peace. He did not have his best game at something like 14/28 passing, but he does not get to be the total goat for the loss.

I'll pass the peace to Patrick Allen, hoping he realizes it takes more than one persons performance to win or lose a professional football game.

 

Dude refuses to throw it. He almost never throws on time, from the pocket. Today and in SD, they didn't Rush by him. He was ineffective. Last week 91 ran by him repeatedly, RW made big plays.
OTOH, he is super explosive if not contained in the pocket. He seemed like he tried to make plays between his tackles tonight. He struggled doing it. I think you'll see a few planned roll outs next game.

Go sox,
Cds

 

Just remember that if it wasn't for Wilson, the Hawks would have lost to
the Skins. I think he deserves a chance to work out of this situation.

The Cowboys came to play today, and don't let their past record fool you.
They have some dangerous players.

 

Just like any running quarterback, Russell Wilson will go down as a average but not elite QB. I would take a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady over RW and/or a Michael Vick when he was younger. Growing up in Philly, I had the pleasure of watching Randall Cunningham play during training camp and when we attended games. In my lifetime he was the first mobile QB that I witnessed and while he had unprecedented athleticism, sadly he never was a HOF'er. RG III, RW and all of the similar QB's in the NFL today will do great things but over time, they will take punishing hits and lose their athletic ability. Peyton and Brady can deliver a pass in a few seconds which makes them deadly and effective.

 

You know what I think is funny?

People talk about "elite" QB's, RB's and receivers... and I think the conversation should be, "Does (team "X") have an elite offensive line?"

If you go back in history, I bet it's less than 5% of "elite" offensive players had an average or below average offensive line.

You can have an elite O-line, and still not have an elite QB, RB or receivers. But rarely is it the other way around...

 

I agree with OB. The Cowboys were hungry, the Seahawks were busy reading their press clippings. Temper your expectations, the magical year of 2013 is in the past and this year's group is not hungry and the penalties indicate they are not paying that much attention. They have some tough games ahead, several that they will surely lose. They have lost 2 already and struggled against a crippled Washington team. 11-5 is the best they can hope for but from what I have seen 9-7 or 10-6 is the more likely scenario.

I'm sure the offseason was fun with all the money, praise and adulation but this year's Hawks look old and a step slow. They are overrated on the basis of last year's performance but another game like today's lackluster effort should paint a pretty clear picture of reality.

RW may not be an elite QB but a lot of guys with vastly better credentials have come into the league and fizzled. None of those guys ever won a Super bowl. He'll be alright if they can assemble a better supporting cast around him.

 

Joe Flacco had a nice game today. That guy has some nice play off wins and a SB ring too. He was considered elite in early 2013...... like Wilson. In the end you need to play on a solid winning team for more than three seasons.

 

They lack the depth they had last year since they had to pay a couple folks. It's only gonna get worse with wilsons contract next year. I hope they dont overpay.

 

February 3rd, 2013

Is Payton Manning an elite QB? He looked average at best in the game against Seattle.

 

3rd season and 17th season. I dont like to compare apples and oranges.

 

the comparison is apples to apples when it comes to using a single game as any kind of barometer.

 

Fast forward to the Seattle sports fans motto" there's always next year". How many years have we settled for that one ?

 

Just the perspective of one out-of-towner: "elite" status isn't determined by the people around you on the team, but without that supporting cast, nobody is ever gonna find out if you're elite or not. For me, the true barometer of an elite QB is when he can steal a game for you here and there. When you've got the ball with 1:35 left, 5 down, and you're still optimistic about a TD drive coming together. When he can be counted upon to take a lick if it means waiting until the last possible moment, then delivering the pass. When he's got the instinct to dodge a few blitzers, then decide if the field is open enough for a run...and if not, to throw it away.

This all, of course, depends on who he's got around him. Brady & Manning gained their notoriety in systems that were loaded with talent and athleticism, and the players around them afforded them the luxury of fairly straightforward playing. Snap, drop, checkdown, and if nobody's open within 3-4 seconds, throw it away and we'll try something else on the next down. If the QB is talented and disciplined, it helps them not get sacked, which leads to more confidence. These guys had fast, big targets like Moss, Harrisson, and Wayne backed up by talented, sure-handed guys like Welker and Clark for years.

On the other hand, you've got Flacco & Roethlisberger...both big, athletic guys with a good head for the game and great improvisational skill. Both came up in systems that, during their formative seasons, put them behind a patchwork quilt of an O-line that required them to be agile, to make things up on the fly, to shake a tackle here and there, and to be able to take a sack or five over the course of a Sunday afternoon. In the absence of a decent, stable O-line, both of these guys depended on their receivers, backs, and TEs to bail them out of bad situations. Look at the rapport between Reothlisberger and Hines Ward, and how many times the veteran receiver would break off his route to come back to Ben when he was flushed out of the pocket.

Ultimately, the definition of "elite" is different for everyone, but overall, if you're judging by rings primarily, backed up by overall play, Wilson, imho, is on the cusp. He's got what it takes to be recognized as an elite, and the frustrations and mistakes will either work their way out in time, or inform his play style (Roethlisberger still hangs on to the ball for an agonizingly long time, but it's become part of his style, and more often than not, now, with maturity, it pays off for him). Nobody is widely recognized as "elite" in their first 3-4 seasons. If you're instead looking at it as "does he have what it takes to be elite?" then I think the answer is a resounding yes. From the games I've seen, he's got a good grasp of game management, and how to either maintain the current momentum if it's favorable, or change it if it's not. He has that sixth sense of anticipating pressure, but he needs to get better at translating it to decision-making.

I think right now, his greatest aids on the team are Lynch and the defense, but the O-line could develop a bit more for him, and he could definitely use some more/better targets...but mostly just time and development.

 

Does Wilson have impressive talent & ability? Yes. In time, he may well be considered among the ranks of the elite. As for yesterday, the ‘Hawks were flat outplayed on both sides of the ball, period. Except for a few bright moments, Dallas controlled the game. Put this one on the entire team, players & coaches alike; there was poor performance all the way around & even the recognized “elite” quarterbacks can’t win a game alone. An elite team will turn this around & improve; time will tell.

 

Jumping off a cliff already, are we? The offense was bad, no doubt. The defense couldn't hold a third down 10 times. They just plain played poorly, all around but don't blame it all on Wilson. The kid was pulling astro-turf out of his pads all day. Back to the drawing board. They have to get back to a regular routine. They have had only one game where they have had a regular seven day schedule so far; Denver. Didn't they win that one?

 

I'm glad to see that Dime wasn't on the beach catching my coho! Not that it did me any good...

 

They are all OVERPAID for my money, but hey, that is just one person's opinion.