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Spent the week end with this guy, very enlightening

 

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The economics were particularly interesting to me. One could easily and rightfully say we are wasting ratepayer coin keeping those dams operating...while we risk wild salmon and steelhead survival in eastern WA & ID. A slam dunk from a natural resource conservation standpoint.
 

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The part that piqued my interest was no need for congressional approval to remove them.
 

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Appreciate his passion and knowledge, but every time the DamSense people approach me and say "We have a plan to rip out the four lower Snake Dams RIGHT NOW/THIS YEAR" I have to chuckle. Sorry folks, that's just not how big (and durable) conservation wins happen.

I work with two of the OG leaders of the Elwha Dam removal effort. It took them 30 years... and it worked.

Want to rip out the Lower Snake Dams? Now is the time to get active and speak up, but don't expect instant results.

Save our Wild Salmon: http://www.wildsalmon.org/projects/...review-phase-1-public-hearings-this-fall.html
http://salsa4.salsalabs.com/o/50933/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=19704

EarthJustice: http://earthjustice.org/features/what-you-need-to-know-about-dams-salmon#
https://www.facebook.com/events/1797698640441965/

American Rivers: https://www.americanrivers.org/2016/11/speak-wild-salmon-columbia-snake-rivers/
 

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The challenge with this idea is that while it makes sense overall, the economic interests that benefit from these dams will fight ferociously to defend them. Their economic benefit is clear and substantial. The general public which is being harmed by these dams has far less to gain and will be more apathetic and less motivated. I predict no change (but my predictions have sucked in the last week or so......).
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I work with two of the OG leaders of the Elwha Dam removal effort. It took them 30 years... and it worked.
Apples and oranges, these are federal dams, their primary purpose is transportation, not flood control or hydro and they could be removed without congressional approval.
 

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The challenge with this idea is that while it makes sense overall, the economic interests that benefit from these dams will fight ferociously to defend them. Their economic benefit is clear and substantial. The general public which is being harmed by these dams has far less to gain and will be more apathetic and less motivated. I predict no change (but my predictions have sucked in the last week or so......).
Steve
According to his figures, the public is getting 15 cents on the dollar (losing 85 cents on every $), who is benefiting economically? Don't need it for irrigation and what ever is shipped by barge can be shipped by existing rail lines.
 

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Apples and oranges, these are federal dams, their primary purpose is transportation, not flood control or hydro and they could be removed without congressional approval.
Could be, not will be. And as you may recall, the process that was in the end successful at removing the Elwha Dams hinged upon building support, or at least neutralizing opposition power, across all stakeholder levels. From local leaders to tribes to congress and the President's Department of Interior. Same applies to the lower Snake Dams.

Would I celebrate if Obama used the power of the Executive pen to schedule these dams for removal during his last days in office? Absolutely.

Do I have hope that that will happen, that dam removal would even be enacted by the next administration if it did happen, or that such an alternative option should be cause to not participate fully in the current court-mandated environmental and public opinion study being conducted by the BPA, Army Corps and Bureau of Reclamation? Absolutely not.

Speaking of that public process, hope to see anglers well-represented on December 1st: https://www.facebook.com/events/1797698640441965/

 

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