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· Smells like low tide.
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I never liked his lyrics, but I'd still listen to his music if I was involved in doing something semi-critical, and couldn't hurry over and change the radio station. I'd never pay to see/hear him perform, though.
Not any more. What a hypocritical loser!
 

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This aside, I like his music, always did (the man could play and still can). Bummer I missed his show here last week. From what I've seen and heard over a lot of years this doesn't add up...for one he's done more as an activist than all of WFF put together (you don't have to agree with his politics, that's not the point).

Can you and I tell from the article if he's a dirtbag or not? No. I couldn't tell you either way but at least I'm honest. Point is, I'd at least like to hear what he has to say for himself. Yeah because the press is always 100% accurate...God bless America.

Either way it won't change what I think of him as an entertainer. But hey, call out the lynch mob. Let's start another MJ thread...
 

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Aaa! I think when he first came on the scene, I was probably into listening to contemporary Hawaiian music and slack key guitar.

I think baiting game and shooting a spike is seeriously damned low-rent behavior. Nugent's no better than any other poacher.
 

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Come on, cut the guy some slack, at least he didn't kill a Great White Buffalo! If he got a little jail time he might have gained a new perspective of Wango Tango.
 

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There's two sides to every story. I think the fact that he doesn't live in California, and had a local guide with him, means there's more to the story than is being led on.

I'm doubting someone of his fame would knowingly broadcast that he illegally poached a deer.
 

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I was really big into archery 15 or so years ago. At the time, Ted was coming out as an advocate for the sport. I cringed when on a television interview show I heard him say, "Happiness is a steaming gut pile." . In an atmosphere where 20% of the population hunts, and 20% is dead set against it, it's the 60% in the middle who pass the legislation either way. I'm pretty sure the mental image he set in their minds had a severe negative impact on the sport. Though I agree with many of his views on the subject, I never thought he was a good spokesman for our sport. As for trying him in the press, a man with his resources and media savvy pleading "No contest" speaks volumes. He strikes me as someone who's unlikely to walk away from a fight, especially when his reputation is at jeopardy.

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I hope he makes a statement so as to clarify what actually happened. It may be that he is straight up guilty, and it maybe that he he didn't want to destroy the Guides life by throwing him to the wolves. You can't deny the good work he has done for hunting rights and the NRA, my guess is that there is more to this story.
 

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I hope he makes a statement so as to clarify what actually happened. It may be that he is straight up guilty, and it maybe that he he didn't want to destroy the Guides life by throwing him to the wolves. You can't deny the good work he has done for hunting rights and the NRA, my guess is that there is more to this story.
Whether he had a guide or not is beside the point. If he was the hunter/shooter, it is his responsibility to know the laws and abide by them. I don't care if he wasn't a resident of California and that he hired a guide. He shot the deer over bait -- a clearly illegal activity where he did this. (You can question the accuracy of the reporters, I suppose, but even the California Deer Association Board of Directors agrees that he was the shooter in an illegal setting).

The guide certainly has an ethical responsibility to accurately advise the client, but the client is ultimately responsible for obeying (or violating) the law. For instance, if I'm floating the Yakima with a guide and they tell me they don't want to pinch the barbs because too many trout throw barbless hooks, I'll object and pitch the barb myself. If I don't and I get checked by WDFW officers with a barbed hook in the water, I'm at fault, not the guide.

The fact that Nugent was filming the event for a commercial venture further confirms his stupidty. If you are going to document your activities on video and then distribute that video to the public, you damn well better be sure EVERY ACTION on that video is above reproach.

Nugent is a loud mouth dumbass who cares more about his own ego and his ability to kill things than he does about hunter ethics and hunting conservation. He has done far more harm to the cause of good hunting ethics and conservation than he has done good. Personally, I'd like to see the responsible, respectable hunting community come down hard on him as they would any other poacher.
 

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His music never did anything for me. His show never did anything for me. His personality never did anything for me. I always thought he was a worthless arrogant prick, now I know he is.
 

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[/QUOTE]Nugent is a loud mouth dumbass who cares more about his own ego and his ability to kill things than he does about hunter ethics and hunting conservation. He has done far more harm to the cause of good hunting ethics and conservation than he has done good. Personally, I'd like to see the responsible, respectable hunting community come down hard on him as they would any other poacher.[/QUOTE]

That hits the nail on the head. I agree.
 

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I'm a lifelong hunter. I've never been enamored with Mr. Nugent's music or his presentation on hunting. He voices love of the outdoors but the emphasis of his show is the killing. I grant that his style is his style just not mine. On this hunting violation matter, however, I'm extremely disappointed. If a person is striving to become an icon for the sport of hunting then be the damn icon. If you talk the big talk, then you had better walk the big walk. I hope his sponsors withdraw their support as a way of saying illegal and unethical hunting is wrong. For those naysayers who see little wrong with his behavior, I wonder how they would respond if Mr. Nugent had been cited for snagging native steelhead with a fly rod? A baited and illegally taken (too young of buck) is not a small, innocent oversight by a hunting newcomer. It is a deliberate act that is beneath true sportsmen and women. I'm disgusted with Mr. Nugent's actions. When an icon behaves this way it truly brings harm to the sport.
 

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I'm not sure exactly where to start here. Certainly, his "guide" was the one who put the bait out, and that stuff doesn't work overnight. Nugent lives and hunts in states where it's perfectly legal to shoot a spike. When contacted, he manned up and took his punishment, so what's your beef?? Seems to me, those of you whose panties are in a bunch, are wedgied because of his political views and strident responses to the "no hunting" crowd. To me, it's yet another demonstration of the "tolerance" afforded us conservatives by our more liberal fellow citizens. I've always wondered why there are folks out there who believe it's just fine to piss off people who regularly carry projectile weapons.
 

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When you strut around, act like an asshole and insult people you can't make a mistake like this. The man's always acted like an asshole. He's also done more to turn the "middle" off to hunting then can possible be imagined. I don't care for him and since he's made himself a public figure, he'll have to take his lumps publicly for this one.

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I'm not sure exactly where to start here. Certainly, his "guide" was the one who put the bait out, and that stuff doesn't work overnight. Nugent lives and hunts in states where it's perfectly legal to shoot a spike. When contacted, he manned up and took his punishment, so what's your beef??
My beef is that he wasn't hunting in a location where it was 'perfectly legal to shoot a spike.' Just because the law allows you to pursue an activity in one location doesn't mean its legal to do so everywhere. He proclaims himself as a master hunter and friend to hunting causes, but he clearly ignored the local hunting laws. If he can't read the local regs AND ABIDE BY THEM he has no business hunting anywhere but his local jurisdiction. Forget what his 'guide' did or didn't do. Nugent is an adult and is solely responsible for is actions. To keep going back to the 'guide did this or that' is petty and irresponsible. Nugent was the hunter/shooter. He bears sole responsibility for violating numerous (11 counts) game laws.

The fact that any hunter would give him pass like this is a slap in the face to all responsible, ethical hunters everywhere. The fact that Nugent was doing this to produce a commercial video (i.e. looking to make a profit from his hunting) means he should have been especially focused on making sure he -- and all with him -- was well within the laws on all aspects of his activity.

As for his 'manning up' -- he only did that AFTER HE WAS CAUGHT red-handed. To give him credit for admitting his crime in the face of overwhelming evidence (i.e. his own for-profit video watched by the game agents) is ridiculous. If he had come forward before the hammer of the law came down, maybe he'd be worthy of some respect. But to 'fess up' after he got caught red-handed proves he is nothing be coward and a fraud. He is an embarrassment to the hunting community just like any other worthless, lying poacher and petty criminal.
 

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Alex,

Where to start? Well, if you're referring to my post please re-read it. I made no mention of politics. My comments are strictly focused on Mr. Nugent's behavior.

As for pissing off people who carry projectile weapons, I did that for a year and they missed me twice. THEY were shooting at me for political reasons. Mr. Nugent and guys like him don't scare me, they disgust me.
 

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This off the comments from the above link. I can't confirm it's accuracy but there is always another side to. it. For the most part I could see the majority on this site not giving a crap about the other side to it. Take it for what it's worth to ya'.

With some basic research, one can find some interesting facts that are omitted from this story, such as:

The charges to which Mr. Nugent plead "nolo contendere" are 1.) Shooting a deer within 400 yards of a baited area, and 2.) Failing to have a tag validated at the nearest location.

Not mentioned is that the deer was recovered at 11:00 pm and the tag was validated the next morning.

Not mentioned is that a search was conducted by Fish and Game, and no attractant such as C'mere Deer was found in the area where Nugent hunted. An apple orchard apparently did exist within 400 yards. One is left to assume that this was the basis of the "within 400 yards of a baited area" charge.

Not mentioned is that there was no charge of "shooting a spike
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