[TANGLES]

Heading to Pass Lake this Friday. Going to use a beadhead green wooly bugger on a sinking line, trolling from a tube. Sound good? What about a sink tip with a little weight? I hear chronomids work too. Looking for suggestions. Also, been looking into the multiple fly systems. Has anybody heard of trailing a chronomid from a bugger?
Tangles

 

[ray helaers]

Trailing a chironomid behind a woolly bugger can work really well (a San Juan worm is a good early season trailer too). You'll want to use a much slower retrieve than you might normally for a woolly bugger. Remember that it is just about impossible to retrieve a chironomid too slowly. The bonus is that ultra slow retrieves do work really well for leeches too, particularly in cold-water conditions.

 

[KerryS]

In "Fly Fishing Only" waters, an angler
may use only the following tackle: a fly
with a barbless single hook which
measures 1/2" or smaller measured from
the point to shank and a conventional fly
line (other line may be used for backing
or leader if attached to at least 25" of
conventional fly line). Anglers may not
use fixed spool reels, bait, weight
attached to the leader or line, or
monofilament leader longer than 15 feet
or with a breaking weight of more than
12 pounds.

The previous lines was taken from the WDFW regs book. If I read it correctly the line that states "a fly with a barbless single hook......" I would think that anymore than one fly might be against the regulations.

Comments?

 

[Guest]

The days of debating the legality of using a dropper system may soon be over. One of the proposed rule changes for the 2002/2003 reg pamphlet is to allow the use of a dropper. Another proposal is to delete the length reqirements for leaders and lines.

 

[Gary C. Brown]

I have been checked by Fish and Wildlife on the Yakima before and his only concern was that both my flies were barbless.
I am glad to see that they are bringing the regulation into line with reality. :THUMBSUP

 

[jaysus]

The Yakima is under selective gear rules which allows two separate flies and Pass lake is fly fishing only, which states one hook...whether or not they enforce the letter of the law is another story but there is a difference in the regs for those two areas UNNO

 

[Gary C. Brown]

Good point, Tight lines.....

 

[ray helaers]

It is a good point, and I should have picked up on the "fly only" regs for Pass in my post. We have talked about this before on this Forum. As I said then, I have had input from a WDFW enforcement officer (at Rocky Ford) that a dropper can be used for weight on fly-only water, IF you remove the point of the hook. Again, I want to make clear that he didn't seem exactly positive. I guess it means that it's open to interpretation (I don't use a dropper on fly-only lakes, and I should have said so). Apparenttly the issue will thankfully soon be settled(or did it already get decided at the last Comission meeting?).

 

[TANGLES]

Thanks for all the input. I won't use a dropper, just go with wooly bugger or leach and troll around with my tube. When I got my sinking line the guy said it was for trolling, not casting. Any thoughts on casting a sinking line?
Tangles

 

[Flycstr]

I used to live about 6 miles from that lake and fished it alot. The best patterns i found this time of year were Olive buggers with grizzly hackle or straight olive. I generally would fish deep and slow. Just to the left of the launch area is a nice hole that consistently productive, then down the left side to the weedbed. If it is starting to warm up over there scuds work in that area too. Good Luck
Good Waters

 

[ray helaers]

There's no reason you can't cast a sinking line. You just have to retrieve more of it before you start. Other than that you shouldn't have to cast it too differently, though some fast-sinking, light-wieght lines may have kind of funky tapers to achieve the desired densities.

 

[hikepat]

To cast a sinking line it is best to use a roll cast to bring the fly line out of the water before going into a normal back cast. If you try to start a cast with the sinking line still in the water, you risk doing damage to the rod on the back cast. Beside with the line still in the water it is very difficult to get any type of clean back cast. You can also just start to cast the line as normal with a floating line if you have brought the flyline all the way in on the retrieve. One other thing when learning to cast a sinking line it is a good idea to wear sunglasses and a hat for your protection. It takes a little more learning to cast a sinking line as compared to a floating line. That is why fly casting classes always start with floating lines, this also is for the instructors protection from wild cast. While you do not have to cast a sinking line when fishing from some type of floating device. Itd handy if you have fish cruising the shoreline you can cast toward the bank an using a slow retrieve pull it thru their path without you trolling through yourself and maybe spooking them. This is a good tatic for brown trout in the evening, cast around fallen trees and other structure for best results. A leech patern works great for that. I have used this tatic with good results on Lakes when there is no hatch on.

 

[Guest]

I am concerned about the comment made in regards to the Regs. I have often used 15 feet of leader on the Kalama in beginners when fishing for summer fish or Silvers, during the fly only season. I know what the regs say, but your not going to make me feel like a criminal because I stretched 3 extra feet out of my leader. I also think a guy that wants to put a dropper below a leech and freeze his ars off moving it a 1/2 and inch a second over a weedbed should be free to do so. I've also fished chums with heavier than 12 pound test and I haven't ever had some baitchucker tell me that isn't fly fishing. If your argument was solely that a guy should use barbless hooks, I'd be with you completely. If your point is the second hook could injure a rolling fish, maybe it's somewhat valid(I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE ARGUE THAT POINT BEFORE). Although I'd much rather here you preach about the importance of handling and releasing fish, or warm summer water temperatures, or mandatory native steelhead release, or Water flow management on the Yakima. Call me a criminal, But I'll snag my dropper on a log when the gamie comes my way-If I feel that is going to be the most productive way to fish that day. My point is only that the regulations do not encompass every situation. A guy can be responsible in every way and be deemed a horrible fisherman or said to "not get IT" because he decided to hang a size 14 chironomid below his Fly. :CLOWN

 

[jaysus]

Whoa Dude,
I think the discussion had to do with what the regs are, not whether they are appropriate in all situations or not. I only speak for myself on this point, but I don't care if you fish a dropper or if your leader is 28' long and I suspect most people here don't care to split those hairs either. The guy on the first post was asking for advice and most people think it is necessary to at least give the facts and then what you do with them is your buisness. I didn't hear any preaching, I think you are being defensive about the issues at hand.