Both gently used and in great shape. Mostly do the trout spey thing lately and prefer a sling with nothing in front of me. The Patagonia is an awesome design and the best of both the vest and the sling world. The Dragonfly works as both a waist and chest back with a handy fly shelf and holds two cans of your favorite brew nicely. Sling is sold, waist pack reduced to $45 shipped!