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When it comes to the market for fly rods, how do people feel about paying the high price to get a lifetime guarantee on their rods?

I have never gone that way and I was wondering if some of you folks who have, are happy with your decision.

On the same subject of purchasing rods, where do you think the market lets us/you down, entry level, mid-price or high end? Or even on kits if you have an opinion.

I'm thinking there has to be an area of the rod market that could use new product infusion and better prices. Do any of you feel the same?

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I currently own all Sage rod's and I think they are worth every penny.. mostly because of the performance.. but the guarentee plays a hugeee part.. I have broken and damaged these rods several times some because of stupid mistakes some because of fish.. and the team at Sage has replaced or repaired them all free of cost and no questions asked...god bless those island boys :thumb

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I'm a big fan of LL bean. They have a lifetime gaurantee on everything they sell. I have a streamlite that I just love, paid 149.00 new. Had to replace it last year, the cork handle got lose and starting spinning around. Got a brand new rod for free. YT:smokin
 

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There is no question in my mind about St Croix's guarantee. I broke my 6wt 4 piece 3 times ( not my fault though) but I had to pay 10 bucks shipping for every return.... and by the way, they only replaced the rod on the 3rd return, the other times they tried to fix what was obviously a bad manufactured rod........ Did not have any problems with 7wt St Croix Spey, (touch wood)Winston, Orvis and Sage. :p
 

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This is really interesting. I had no idea you could get good mid priced rods and a lifetime guarantee.

I appreciate the info very much. I will look into everything you guys have said. Thanks a bunch. I guess after 40 years of flyfishing (since age 12) I will move beyond my old Wright and McGill trail rod my Dad got me.

Just kidding a little bit. I have some 15 year old beater graphites. I used to drool over the Winstons and Sage rods in the shops in Livingston but in raising kids one sacrifices new rods.

The St. Croix and the LL Bean rods sound real good.

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There is no free lunch. No manufacturer every does anything for free, including those island boys at Sage. All repairs and replacements are factored in to the price of a new rod. What irritates me about all this is that some clowns go to Alaska with 3 and 4 wt. rods and snap them off on salmon deliberately. I have to pay for these carbuncles.
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Yep, Bob's right. Usually a high influx of broken rods dictates the high price. Just think of it this way. I know it costs to design rods. No doubt about it. But most is refining work now. Most of the main process were developed years ago (mandraling process, resin factors, etc). The pure cost of alot of these rods really don't factor into the price. I know some componnets cost more, but at their wholesale price, which I'm sure they buy in bulk, cuts down costs. I know, I've done some pricing on components for starting up my tackle business. I'd say there is a price cost there, but I'd say they're making some HUGE markups to up profit vs. loss on warranties.

I know one thing. And this is about most of the rod companies out there. They are usually pretty good about judging how rod broke vs. how you say it broke. I've been very honest on the few rods I've broke, or dealt with that have been broke (I've done alot of returns for friends). I've found that most are good about not dinging you, even if it's YOUR fault. I know with Sage, I snapped the tip on my RPL+. It's my favorite rod. I was fighting a steelhead around my friends' driftboat, and I do believe I hit the gunnel playing the fish around the boat. Sure enough, next fish I had on snapped right at the same place I thought I'd hit the gunnel. I sent in a letter with my shipping money. I told them what happened, and to let me know what it would cost for replacement tip and would send extra $$ to fix it. All I know is a couple weeks later (I was amazed by posts I've seen, only took just under 3 weeks to get my rod back) I had my rod delivered UPS, and no charge added. But I was honest, and I don't send a lot of rods their way.

Now, the jackass who purposely abuses rods, then resends over and over again are the one's who screw it all up for everyone. I have a friend who works for a higher end custom rod building company in SW WA (they custom make your blanks for YOUR casting style, then build rod up for you as well). They had a customer who kept bringing rods in (limited lifetime warranty on rods). Finally had to refuse customer after finding out what he was doing He was overlining rod, then using way too big of flies with barbell eyes. The flies kept hitting the blank and damaging it. Guy had tip replaced like THREE times. He was actually ticked that wouldn't be replaced.

Personally, I feel it should be taken away. I like the Loomis mentality actuall. Pay $40 and we'll fix no questions asked. Probably costs that much to rebuild/ship (I know they're shipping costs are almost NIL since they pay for bulk shipping). I feel that would be best way, but up price a bit. I take very good care of my tackle, and have only broke a couple rods. Two were blank imperfections (they exploded on hooksets), one was my mistake (the sage), I had my reel set too tight (lol that's what you get for forgetting to check your drag before you fish, I only did it once and cost me)
 

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Loomis....excellent warranty. I busted mine and took it back to where I bought it and they replaced it for just shipping costs of 25.00?? Same day, cheap price, best rod I own :thumb

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I used to know it all---but now I forgot it all.

The way I have been hearing it is that all manufactures are going to start charging a fee for replacing all broken rods. I broke a St Croix Spinning rod and it didn't cost anything to replace,but it took a month to get it back. Since then it was exchanged for a fly rod. I also broke a Gloomis rod It just died when I was stringing line,I didn't even have a bend in it. Called Gloomis had a new rod in two days better than the old one(8 years old). $50.00 no questions asked.

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Expensive rods are nice things to look at but it doesn't mean it will work for YOU. I started off with a custom 7' back when short rods were the THING! It is a fast rod, a lot like a summer drift rod. It is a beautiful silk wrapped stick.
I have too many sticks to list but the one I am using now in most situations didn't cost an arm and a leg. Now mind you when I bought this rod I was willing to spend up to $600 for a rod. The rod I liked the feel of for my preferance was a $50 Shakespear. I have beat the heck out of it for 5 years and it just keeps on going. It is pretty low tech. A fiber glass graphite composite. I don't like fast tip rods as a rule so I can spend less money for lower tech in manufactured rods or ones I build for self. Personally I prefer fiber glass rods that are a little slow in the action. I get reasonable distance, less fragile sticks and keep more money in my pocket by looking at less ego types of rods.. My friends call me cheap! It is just my Scotch heritage. The fish don't give a rip. I was taught to cast a line with a broom stick! really! Big bucks don't make you a caster!
By the way who ever caught a fish with a cast. It is all in how well you handle the line. It doesn't take big dollars to work a line until you are really proficient. Then you learn that get it out a reasonable distance and who cares. People shake their heads at my low tech approach but I quite often catch as many fish as they do or more. Find something that feels good and you can bang off 50 or 60 feet of line. That is plenty. Most fish are caught at 45 feet or less. IT doesn't cost big money to fly fish. Actually the best results are low budget. One of my biggest pleasures in life is watching people flapping a line off a rod that cost more money than I have in all my gear combined. A line in the air catchers no fish! My point!, this isn't a path of ego unless you want it to be. Don't show me your rod, show me what you did~
Dave
PS A young dude I know and went to, for shame, WSU, e mailed me and gave me a report on some fishing, with his $55 Kunan kit he bought, his Dad bought, 12 years ao. Six trout over 16 inches and at least 10 hooked and lost. Big dollars there!
 
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