So I picked this fly for a first classic salmon fly to learn on. Its taken a few tries, and I`m getting closer at any rate. Still not where I want it, and still learning how to do some of the elements. Couldnt get the teal to marry with the barred shoulder. Mark M., I need to learn how to get the heads flatter, I see youve figured that out. Still working on mounting the wings and keeping them flat too, and I got a little "hackle happy" lol. Theres alot to these flys, so seeing your collection is very cool. This is the back side of the fly, came out nicer than the frt. I`m pretty excited to be getting this close. More practice!!