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I noticed this was on the front page of the Seattle Times today:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011347556_steelhead15m.html

Although it's a well written article, it's sad that if fails to mention the plight of 'the ghost'. He even mentions the WSC, as one of the men in the article is a member, but that is as far as it goes. They had a great opportunity to highlight some important information upon mentioning that all Puget Sound rivers are closed, but they didn't. The article was nicely sugar coated and I'm just bummed that a chance to get information out to 'the masses' was missed here.

Just thought I would share.

Cheers,

Matthew
 

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I agree Matthew.

Also, I was disappointed that the little box with its summary information mentioned that steelhead, unlike salmon, can return to spawn many times ... when we know that almost no bucks survive and return to the salt, and only a small percentage of the hens. Somehow this gave the impression that steelhead can just swim in and out of their natal rivers ... and we know their life history is far more complex and fragile.

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I noticed this was on the front page of the Seattle Times today:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011347556_steelhead15m.html

Although it's a well written article, it's sad that if fails to mention the plight of 'the ghost'. He even mentions the WSC, as one of the men in the article is a member, but that is as far as it goes. They had a great opportunity to highlight some important information upon mentioning that all Puget Sound rivers are closed, but they didn't. The article was nicely sugar coated and I'm just bummed that a chance to get information out to 'the masses' was missed here.

Just thought I would share.

Cheers,

Matthew
Just a note of caution, Matt....be very, very careful of what you "share" here as it can without any warning erupt into a "politicaly hysterical, mudslinging, accusation, counter-accusation, name calling free-for-all,"....with some precedent of course. :rolleyes:

Good thing we've got Chris to put the lid on things.

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Evan and Matthew,

You two pretty much summed up my own feelings regarding this article. While well written, I was disappointed by the fact that it is nothing more than a colorful description of a trip that a couple of people took the Queets River to fly fish for wild steelhead. Considering that the Wild Steelhead Coalition was involved in putting together the trip, it had the potential to do more to make the public more aware of the plight of wild steelhead.

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Andrew
 

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Just a note of caution, Matt....be very, very careful of what you "share" here as it can without any warning erupt into a "politicaly hysterical, mudslinging, accusation, counter-accusation, name calling free-for-all,"....with some precedent of course. :rolleyes:

Good thing we've got Chris to put the lid on things.

Jc
:rofl::rofl::rofl: Yes, this is true! That is why I have some popcorn and beer handy, just in case :beer1:

I just felt compelled to do it. So I did. You never know when one small action can trigger the landslide.
 

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Yeah, now "everyone is gonna head to the Queets".

It's certainly true that the Puget Sound rivers are closed. We're all painfully aware of that.

But the article seems to imply that it's OK and natural for the pressure to be transferred to the OP rivers. Unfortunately, they're in decline as well.

Some fly guides have even stopped booking trips on the OP because they didn't want to put additional pressure on already depleted runs.

This is probably all just sour grapes 'cause I'm headed to the Queets in a couple days and half Pugetropolis' Steelheaders will probably be joining me there to catch a nice chrome hen like the one photo'd in the article. ;)

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The very thought that C&R fishing has any effect on the runs is silly. Pressure may effect the fishing but provided it's C&R it won't be hurting the runs a bit. I would say that it is OK and natural for the pressure to be transfered to the OP, except that the fish can be whacked there.

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On the up side the artical did talk about releasing the Steelhead and that catching it and letting it go was the thrill and that there was never any though of not letting it back to complete its journy.
 

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This comment by Eric Doyle in the comments section should just about sum things up:

Ms. Mapes - I am a dedicated steelhead fisherman (and WSC board member) deeply concerned with the dismal condition of this precious resource. I am also a fisheries biologist working so my understanding runs pretty deep. I read this morning's article with great anticipation knowing that Jim, Rich, and Dick discussed many critical conservation issues with you at great length. While I do appreciate the attention given to what makes this sport wonderful, I was dismayed that conservation concerns were entirely ignored in favor of "fish porn."

To put it plainly, Washington's wild steelhead resource is in grave peril. Even the Olympic Peninsula runs characterized by you as "strong" are at no better than 10 percent of historical abundance, and they continue to decline as a result of poor state and tribal management decisions. Much of the life-history diversity this species needs to adapt to a changing environment has already been lost and what little remains is eroding under the pressure of decisions being made today. This needs to be recognized and I expect the Seattle Times to do better.

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This comment by Eric Doyle in the comments section should just about sum things up:
Hooray for Eric Doyle!!!

And by the way... Catch and release fly fishing does indeed have mortality impacts on Wild Steelhead.
 

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I hope I am one of many that will step up and thank Eric Doyle for his constructive observations regarding contents of ST front page fluff story. Where is Steve Raymond who once was an editor that would not allow such shallow journalism to get to the press room. And by the way; catch and release does have mortality impact on both steelhead and resident trout--.Duane J
 

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Ending a C&R season on a river never did save a run, but pretending your shit don't stink just sends a bad message to other (non C&R) user groups. The percentages may vary, but each has an associated mortality.

Being willing to put the fish first needs to be a joint effort whether you're a gill-netting native american, a C&R fly chucker, or a bait-slingin bottom bouncer.

Just my .02,

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I appreciate putting the fish first. I am not saying that our shit does not stink either. I am saying that C&R anglers are quick to accept blame when it isn't warrented. It has become a culture of self loathing that would make Senator Stevens blush.
The fact is that the C&R community is the only one affected by the recent PS closures. Every other user group goes on having a far greater effect on the runs. The hatcheries continue. Natives netting remains unchecked (Queets right?). The development community is untouched. Logging is unchanged etc. etc. Then we see an article about the Queets and there is a consern over C&R pressure. My shit don't stink, but I'm not gonna pretend it smells worse.
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Thanks Eric, that was extremely well put.
I gave up fishing for Steelhead years ago, short on time and frustrated with the bonking of native fish, the list goes on and on. My point here is simple, whatever can be done to promote C&R should be done. Unfortunately, due in part to articles such as that which graced the front page of the Sunday Times, people just do not get it, they do not understand. Most folk think hatcheries are a great idea. I think it is a matter of educating everyone on just what is at stake. So...catch and release is a great start, there is a serious mortality rate if you have no idea how to properly handle fish, once again it is about education.
Everyone needs a little education.....Is it not still legal to kill native fish on some rivers? What is that all about?
That's my two pennies.
 

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if you have no idea how to properly handle fish, once again it is about education.
Everyone needs a little education.....Is it not still legal to kill native fish on some rivers? What is that all about?
That's my two pennies.
thus why i've been saying for years that it makes no sense to me why we don't have a fishing education course much like the one that is required to get a hunting license. i think that could do so much for fishermen who just plain don't know any better.
 
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