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I feel for you all. It can ruin the fun. I had to lay off fly fishing and started gear chucking, then started back with golf and it got a lot worse. For me it was more of an issue with diet believe it or not. More than my elbow started hurting after 6 days of fishing in Missoula. I have to eliminate Purines out of my diet as much as possible. I've been good since.
 

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I do this every couple years. This year I think I actually tore the tendons this summer and have been working to recover. Here's things that I've done that have helped, in no particular order.
  • Time to heal (lame!)
  • Wrist brace for sleeping from Fred Meyer
  • Stretches
  • Acupuncture & KT tape (desperation before a big trip. This helps mitigate the issues)
  • Ice and heat - alternating after a day on the water. Helps circulation & heating
  • I never do this, but my physician says avoid caffeine, spicy foods and alcohol because they increase inflammation. What does he know though?
  • strip setting instead of trout setting
  • Beer & Bourbon (jk - this doesn't help but I complain less)
Vodka is a natural deflamatory : )
 

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When it happened I had it bad for 2 years, left arm tennis elbow (lateral epicondylitis) and off/on in right arm. Went away and came back over the years, both arms and then also a bit of medial epicondylitis with the other. Sigh... I musky and pike, smb, and trout fish.
The 2 main things to get me over the hump was religiously using forearm straps in the correct area on each arm and using Diclofenac (generic is Voltaren) gel before, during (definitely if I get any twinges) and after fishing. If there is any bit of soreness the next day(s), I use it 1-2/day. NO Ibuprofen needed as the gel is an anti-inflammatory. 😃!
Ice, rest are good. I did some gentle, pain free stretches, some scraping, gentle strengthening, but the 2 keys to make it go away were the straps (And don't wait till it's getting sore!) and the Diclofenac!!!!!
 

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The arm brace with tensioner that puts pressure on the tendon helps me a bit. Cheap and easy.
if its a spey type situation ….. learn how to spey cast. It can change your whole fishing world.
I got one of these and it is helping immensely. I highly recommend to anyone else experiencing the same issue.

And I'm gearing up for trout spey as we speak. Looking forward to getting into it this season.
 

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I've had my issues with intermittent tennis elbow over the years as well. I've been carrying a little Ace neoprene elbow sleeve in my fishing pack for many years, and it has saved the day on many occasions. Not a "cure", but it seems to take most of the pain away to continue a day's fishing.
 

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I had it really bad about 4 years ago after trimming shrubs. Could hardly put away dishes in the cabinets later on. It took a long time recovering and had someone mow the grass for me. So now, I just try to monitor it and quit things when I get just a little sore, as it gets aggravate easily. Ice on it right after doing work along with ibuprofin seems to help. I also bought some bands but not sure if they do anything.
 

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Yeah, I avoid major treatments like that... I had a buddy who was getting monthly epidurals in his spine for lower back pain and the only thing that actually made his pain permanently go away was a book I shared with him. I probably mostly need time and rest but that's going to be tough once its fishing season again.



I think I'll have to do this for a while... maybe no stripers for me this year :(



I got 7wt and 3wt spey rods last year... maybe this is a good excuse to mostly just fish them for a while.
What was the book you shared with your buddy?
 

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Oh dear,so many posts about cures but none about addressing the core problem.So-called Tennis elbow is a form of RSI (repetitive strain injury) and the primary cause (in tennis as well as fly fishing) is often a grip that is too small,plain and simple.Use overwraps like Winn Grips,and for heaven's sakes consider the side effects of Ibuprofen before you get stuck into it.
Side effects
The most common side effects of ibuprofen are:
  • headache
  • dizziness
  • drowsiness, fatigue and restless sleep
  • thirst and sweating
  • tingling or numbness in hands and feet
  • ringing in the ears
  • blurred vision and eye irritation
  • fluid retention and ankle swelling
  • mild allergic reaction
  • abdominal pain
  • nausea, vomiting
  • heartburn
  • diarrhoea
  • constipation
  • bladder irritation and pain, frequent urination.1, 2
NSAIDs such as ibuprofen can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with or without heart disease or the risk factors for heart disease.1
More information about NSAIDS and heart issues
 

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I had it really bad about 4 years ago after trimming shrubs. Could hardly put away dishes in the cabinets later on. It took a long time recovering and had someone mow the grass for me. So now, I just try to monitor it and quit things when I get just a little sore, as it gets aggravate easily. Ice on it right after doing work along with ibuprofin seems to help. I also bought some bands but not sure if they do anything.
I think that's what it's going to take for me. I have to say, these new style of arm bands are really helping though.
 

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What was the book you shared with your buddy?
Sorry about the delay, I wasn't getting updates on this thread for some reason.

The book is called Healing Back Pain by Dr. John E. Sarno. It seems a little new-agey at first but if you go in with an open mind, it starts to make a fair amount of sense. I'm sure there are a lot of kinds of back pain that can't be helped with this approach but I had chronic lower back pain and sciatica the went away within a couple of weeks of reading the book. And I've had at least a half a dozen friends who were in a similar situation and are all better now after I pleaded with them to give the book a chance. I highly recommend it!
 

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Oh dear,so many posts about cures but none about addressing the core problem.So-called Tennis elbow is a form of RSI (repetitive strain injury) and the primary cause (in tennis as well as fly fishing) is often a grip that is too small,plain and simple.Use overwraps like Winn Grips,and for heaven's sakes consider the side effects of Ibuprofen before you get stuck into it.
Side effects
The most common side effects of ibuprofen are:
  • headache
  • dizziness
  • drowsiness, fatigue and restless sleep
  • thirst and sweating
  • tingling or numbness in hands and feet
  • ringing in the ears
  • blurred vision and eye irritation
  • fluid retention and ankle swelling
  • mild allergic reaction
  • abdominal pain
  • nausea, vomiting
  • heartburn
  • diarrhoea
  • constipation
  • bladder irritation and pain, frequent urination.1, 2
NSAIDs such as ibuprofen can increase the risk of heart attack or stroke in people with or without heart disease or the risk factors for heart disease.1
More information about NSAIDS and heart issues
Thanks for chiming in. Like you I am also wary of taking pills for problems like this. And to be honest, I don't mind the pain, I'm just trying to not exacerbate the problem. The last thing I want is a permanent injury.

Thank you for the suggestion of wider grip. I've been working on loosening my grip as well. Every little bit helps.
 

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I've had chronic tennis elbow (tendonitis) for nearly 40 years. When I do something to cause it to flare up beyond the ordinary background pain, I do two things to effectively reduce the inflammation. First is four (4) 2000 mg ibuprofen tablets twice a day. This is twice the dose recommended in the US, but pretty ordinary in Mexico and S. America. The second is ice, as in ice bath. Dump a full tray of ice cubes in a large bowl and add enough water to cover well. Dunk that elbow for a full ten (10) minutes. No cheating! Set a timer. It will hurt so much at first that you will have to pull your elbow out for a few seconds, but keep at it until you can hold it in the ice water bath.

Doctors and PT told me to ice it by rubbing an ice cube frozen in a styrofoam cup. BS! It was a trainer at the health club I used to attend who told me how to make ice more effective, and she was right. A few days of ice and ibuprofen has always gotten my tendonitis pain back to the background level that I can tolerate forever.

Another thing, stiff fast action graphite fly rods are not friendly to shoulders and elbows that are predisposed to this kind of inflammation. Use medium action, or maybe even a medium fast action rod. Stiff action rods in 9 wt and up will likely always cause this kind of problem for you. I put my 9 wt in the closet years ago and made an 8 wt medium action rod my every day use until I started using Spey rods for all my steelhead fishing. I use a fast action 8 wt for salt water sight fishing, where I'm not making one cast after another from can't see in the morning 'til can't see at night. For all day streamer fishing I use a medium action 6 or 8 wt, and I can hold the tendonitis at bay.
And be careful with taking Ibuprofen for long periods of time and/or large doses -- I used to use a lot of it for severe back pain and general use (headaches, etc.) and I now have Stage 2 kidney disease. Hard to say if it's from the Ibu but I would advise caution.
 

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And be careful with taking Ibuprofen for long periods of time and/or large doses -- I used to use a lot of it for severe back pain and general use (headaches, etc.) and I now have Stage 2 kidney disease. Hard to say if it's from the Ibu but I would advise caution.
Correct. Ibuprofen should be used for relatively short periods of time only, not as a continuous long term treatment.
 

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Like most maladies, it's best to avoid the risk factors rather than just treating the symptoms. Not to say that there haven't been thoughtful responses posted on relieving the pain.

Cumulative trauma, such as tennis elbow is brought about by all the usual suspects: high repetition (casting)' high force ( especially grip), awkward postures ( primarily the wrist). All the risk factors are combined when getting the fly out there.

It's alot less of an issue while summer fishing for trout, bass, and lighter fish that don't require heavy rods, big sink tips or heavy flies. But salmon and winter steelhead fishing require greater strength and alot more casts.

The extensor carpi radialis brevis is generally the muscle/ tendon that is involved. It attaches on the lateral(outside) of your elbow. With a really symptomatic tennis elbow, it hurts to even touch that spot.
That muscle among others helps to extend your wrist. If your hand is flat side down on a table, it will assist to bring it up against gravity, as an example. So in casting its very involved in bringing the rod back when first drawing the fly off the water before starting your next cast, and just before starting the forward casting stroke.

The forearm rotators attach on the medial and lateral epicondyle and can be pain generators as welland are are involved in the cast.

But the hidden factor is how the extensive carpi radialis brevis is involved in grip. I think grip is likely the biggest risk factor. The extrinsic
finger flexor muscles, the ones that bend your fingers, attach at your elbow but on the medial (inside) of your elbow. So why does the outside of your elbow hurt with forceful grip?
The extensor carpi radialis brevis has to fire every time we make a fist. If it didnt happen automatically, our wrist would flex ( bend towards the direction of your palm) with every making of a fist. The finger flexors cross the palmer side of wrist and so also act as wrist flexors. So the stronger the grip an activity requires, the greater force with which the exterior carpi radialis must fire to keep the wrist from bending in. Try gripping something heavy with your wrist flexed inward. You'll notice the loss of strength.

So again,no big deal with lighter fly rods, floating leaders, light flies, less casting, etc. Decreased risk factors there.

So what to do? If salmon/ steelhead fishing with heavier rods, maybe try using two hands at least in drawing the fly out of the water before starting your next cast. The water tension combined with a heavy fly/ sink tip is culptit number one in my opinion. And maybe consider learning to spey cast with two handed rods this summer at your leisure, before the next salmon steelhead season. Two hands cuts the force considerably, evn with the bigger spey rods.

Take more breaks.

Use the lightest rod, sink tip, fly size you can get away with for steelhead/ salmon for your single hand casting.

Prior to the start of next season, condition your grip, wrist and forearm muscles. Ask your doctor, therapist or look on line for exercises. These exercises should be comfortable, and build both strength and endurance. If your activities require a lower percentage of your available strength, it lowets the risk of cumulative trauma. So strong is good, but don't over do it.

If your tennis elbow is active, best to avoid fishing for now. But if you must, you must. But dont overdo the cures.

Disclaimer-- I'm just trying to provide information on some causes and risk factors for the condition. Always check with your treating health care provider before proceeding with anything in my post. They will know your full medical history and any reasons why my suggestions are perhaps not relevant or advisable.
 
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