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Commissioner,
I missed the '90-'91 season because I was with a battalion of Marines in Desert Storm. 14 of my wonderful Marines returned home with the American Flag draped across their lifeless bodies. My last conversation with one of them, Sgt Garrett Mongrella, was about how our Giants were going to the Super Bowl. He never got to see it.

Many friends, Marines, and Special Forces Soldiers who worked with or for me through the years returned home with the American Flag draped over their coffins.

Now I watch multi-millionaire athletes who never did anything in their lives but play a game, disrespect what brave Americans fought and died for. They are essentially spitting in the faces and on the graves of real men, men who have actually done something for this country beside playing with a ball and believing they're something special! They're not! My Marines and Soldiers were!

You are complicit in this!
You'll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it's their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner. What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that's much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn't it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?

Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game! You condone it all by your refusal to act. You're just as bad and disgusting as they are. I hope Americans boycott any sponsor who supports that rabble you call the NFL. I hope they turn off the TV when any team that allowed this disrespect to occur, without consequence, on the sidelines. I applaud those who have not.

Legends and heroes do NOT wear shoulder pads. They wear body armor and carry rifles.

They make minimum wage and spend months and years away from their families. They don't do it for an hour on Sunday. They do it 24/7 often with lead, not footballs, coming in their direction. They watch their brothers carted off in pieces not on a gurney to get their knee iced. They don't even have ice! Many don't have legs or arms.

Some wear blue and risk their lives daily on the streets of America. They wear fire helmets and go upstairs into the fire rather than down to safety. On 9-11, hundreds vanished. They are the heroes.

I hope that your high paid protesting pretty boys and you look in that mirror when you shave tomorrow and see what you really are, legends in your own minds. You need to hit the road and take those worms with you!

Time to change the channel.

Col Jeffrey A Powers USMC (Ret)
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Asshole-nick and the rest of the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. players who don't see fit to respect the flag and country that affords them the opportunity to make insanely lucrative livings are idiots. It would be great to respond to their antics by boycotting, but then you screw the players who actually have a spine. The leagues should grow some nuts and make it policy to at least stand during the national anthem.
 

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It disgusts me the way we tout our brave soldiers, yet could collectively give a shit less about taking care of them when they come home. The "Salute to Service" comes off so disingenuous, I feel embarrassed watching it.

Our flag represents the sacrifice of those serving in our great military, this is true. It also represents the country itself, the good and the bad.

It isn't all a cute propaganda piece before a football game. Every day, people fight to create a country where everyone is treated equally. Sometimes that means peaceful protest. Why is this so abhorrent to some of us?
 

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And to cap it all off, that ass clown Kapernick couldn't even be bothered to vote this year. I don't care much for Stephen A. Smith but Google his blast at that butt muncher after he came out and said that he wouldn't be complicit in supporting a system that is continuing to oppress his people.

Having said that, I spent quality time away from my family serving in some of the greatest places in the world, including service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm back in the day. I believe those men should absolutely be allowed to protest in whatever manner they see fit. Kneeling during the anthem, burning the flag, peaceful public protest...I don't have to like it, and may not agree with your cause, but it's your right as an American and the gentlemen mentioned at the beginning of this thread died preserving that right. If you do take part in these activities, you must be prepared to deal with the ramifications of your actions whether that's being reprimanded by the employer your under contract with, ridicule from your fellow Americans, disagreement from your family members and loved ones, etc. If you do take part as an activist looking for change in righting some wrong, good for you and power to you. If on the other hand, you take the opportunity to appear on national television and profess to be an activist but can't be bothered to become full invested in that cause, or even bother to vote, go away. That cause, and America in general, will be better off for your not being a part of our society.

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We should make it a rule that all football players have to stand at attention and salute during the beginning of the game!!

Yeah! We should force them to do it! If they don't - we should fine them crazy amounts of money - because they don't respect our flag!!!! Or maybe we should execute them!!!!

Dudes......... Super hypocritical to be extolling the virtues of freedom, including free speech, while railing against it when it doesn't snap into your worldview.

I think kaepernick is a c%#k soaking mother effer. I literally cannot stand the guy. The beats. The mildly tarded bro-tude. The fact he went to UNR.

I get choked up every time I hear the national anthem in a stadium, knowing that more people have died for my freedom - than 10x the people even in the stadium.

Is Kaeps behavior grossly disrespectful? Hell yeah. Does it piss me off? Yep. Do I think he is winding off puberty and going through an emotional phase and is probably shopping at hot topic to get Malcolm x hats and ghandi pedo wallets..... yeah.

But the fact he hasn't gotten his head lopped off or thrown in prison is what makes this country so amazing. People in China, Russia, etc hear about this type of public protest and their minds turn into glue and they die because it's just so radical.

Live it up.
 

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The NFL doesn't care how it gets publicity, so long as it gets it. The douche waffles who "protest" should not be doing it on Company time. Screw Roger G, that scum sucking algae eating D bag could care less, as long as the ads run. Ever wonder why Eupore is such an attraction? Games start in an earlier time slot=more advertising time.

The owner, who pays the player, is the responsible party, step up to the plate Mr. Billionare owner.

As far as NBA, I believe they have to as part of their CBA.

I've watched zero complete games this year, because of this BS. Keep your product, Rog', I can live without it. Oh yeah, how's that 501 C 3 treating you Rog'? Non-profit, my A$$.
 

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I served in the miltary, if a person wants to kneel or turn their back to the flag, they can thank me, i defended their freedom to choose.
FREEDOM of choice is #1.
Some hurt feelings are farther down the list.
Absolutely right Peyton.

Yet sadly, what you and others have done, is completely lost on (most, if not all) of those "activists". They'd probably rather spit in your face. Again, it's completely lost on them.
 
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I don't buy into the namby-pamby "it's their right to do so" argument. My military service also affords the right to shit our pants (as a sign of protest should we choose) and ruin the experience of our fellow citizens in the theatre, church, or restaurant, but we don't... at least not yet thank God!

These clowns using their place of business and national exposure to express their political/social pissing party is bullshit. If Asshole-nick and the others want to take up a cause, they should do it on their own time. The pro sports teams should demand that, while in their employment, players show respect for our nations flag and anthem by standing at a minimum... even if silently behind their breath their crapping all over it.
 

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I don't buy into the namby-pamby "it's their right to do so" argument. My military service also affords the right to shit our pants (as a sign of protest should we choose) and ruin the experience of our fellow citizens in the theatre, church, or restaurant, but we don't... at least not yet thank God!

These clowns using their place of business and national exposure to express their political/social pissing party is bullshit. If Asshole-nick and the others want to take up a cause, they should do it on their own time. The pro sports teams should demand that, while in their employment, players show respect for our nations flag and anthem by standing at a minimum... even if silently behind their breath their crapping all over it.
Are you equating the second civil rights movement (or attempted/quasi movement) with pant shitting?
 

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Are you equating the second civil rights movement (or attempted/quasi movement) with pant shitting?
No, I'm saying that it could be a form of free speech or expression... no different than the not standing for the national anthem. I'm sure he'd like to burn the flag on TV but that would probably violate a fire code. Also that just because it may be protected by our rights doesn't make it the right thing to do. Again if as a spectator at an event that plays the anthem he chooses to take a knee, go for it. He'd still be a colon for doing so, but at least he's not taking advantage of being on national TV.
 

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No, I'm saying that it could be a form of free speech or expression... no different than the not standing for the national anthem. I'm sure he'd like to burn the flag on TV but that would probably violate a fire code. Also that just because it may be protected by our rights doesn't make it the right thing to do. Again if as a spectator at an event that plays the anthem he chooses to take a knee, go for it. He'd still be a colon for doing so, but at least he's not taking advantage of being on national TV.
Remember, he did this for at least one preseason game, perhaps two, before it became a national issue. He did not start kneeling for the national anthem to look for exposure but exposure came his way and he has as much a right to express his opinion as he wishes as you do. He has never said anything about flag burning (which is also legal, by the way). Why bring up a totally groundless hypothetical?
You are free to express your displeasure to his employer but I doubt that will have much sway in San Francisco. And you can boycott products that are associated with him But attempting to censor speech usually means that you're losing the argument.
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we all know when you post in these type of threads. no one wins, All i can say is my father, and my uncles went through hell......and that was WW2 and Korean war ....Stories are unbelievable...but i believe them... why cant others?

you can't sit and watch the action...????? alwyas grateful to those that protect! Thank you
 

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I was in the military also and think if Kaepernick wants to have "freedom of expression" then he should have served or given some other sort of volunteer service to earn that right. I wasn't in to give namby pamby rich kids that right.
Which US citizens were you in it to give rights to?
 
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