Ok, so the latest Subaru thread got me thinking[dangerous I know] about a soon to be retirement rig with a lot better mileage than my 40+ years love affairs with 4X4's. I am a 'minimalist' camper, and while I will never come close to Ive's outrageous setups, mine have worked out really well. So here is the question: does anyone have experience with either, or preferably both, of these vehicles? Previous insane 4 wheel driving experience will be a plus. I am thinking a couple guys on 1-2 week fishing trips or solo on a 1-3 month Western states 'adventure', of sorts. Towing the pram with the Renegade strapped on top of it, loaded up with all the lighter weight fly gear and a small generator. Keep the vehicle uncluttered so the camping/cooking/sleeping is as easy as possible. Any suggestions? Smart ass reply's will be expected!