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This cropped up in the local paper the other day.
https://www.goskagit.com/news/quest...cle_7511286b-39c6-552a-9109-4f5178401991.html
https://www.goskagit.com/news/quest...cle_7511286b-39c6-552a-9109-4f5178401991.html
WDFW Meetings Results
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Why would it when Washington's favourite commercial fleet of guides would cry discrimination. Can't get that on any river in Washington.
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If Rob gets his way there won't be any rules.
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Like I said I'm all for rules to deal with a significant problem. I would say guide over use and crowding are a problem. That's just my opinion though.
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Lucky for us, there will be no "Rob Rule"!
I wonder if The Rob has figured out that no new rules for anything would in fact, be a rule!
I wonder if The Rob has figured out that no new rules for anything would in fact, be a rule!
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Must be thinking of a different river than the Skagit. The Skagit has been closed for 7 years. No guides or crowds at all.
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I'm in support for just opening the skagit and seeing how she goes. I think the dot orgs have done enough meddling in the final hour with all their petty opposition. I've always been pretty clear about that. I'm all for using a selective rules strategy and seeing how it goes, the historic rules. Of course my motivation is to get pressure off the peninsula to some degree. These dot orgs really should figure out that the less open water the more pressure on the remains.
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Let's hope it makes into the Regs especially the no fishing from boats regulation.
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Don't like the 3 days a week idea.
The three days a week sucks. Its as if they want to consolidate as many anglers as possible on to the river so they can get the max data possible in a given time frame. I get the thinking on that except it turns in to a total cluster f##$.
In regards to fishing from a boat Im ok with that on the Skagit as long as your not under power. Fishing from a jet boat side drifting with 8 clients in the boat is one of the reasons this fishery suffered in the past. Add 4 boats doing this every day during CNR season from Baker to Rockport and you put a huge strain on a wild fishery. Its insane it was even aloud in the past and its time to put that shit to rest.
In regards to fishing out of a boat on the Sauk. If its allowed great. Its been working just fine for a very long time I have personally never had issues with other anglers doing this infact I have learned alot from watching them. If were talking a large contingent of bobber guys doing this and a multitude of outfitters promoting it like on the OP. Good luck! Thats were natural selection comes in to play. Its a different mentality on the Sauk and I have witnessed some pretty bad shit happen to assholes who are disrespectful of other anglers. So in a way its going to have its own inforcement which has been in place for along time.
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Interesting results. I found the fact that the Mill Creek audience actually did what was asked at a higher rate was interesting.
The only rule I was interested in was a no nymphing rule. I did not care about the sidedrifters and cork soakers but I really would like no nymphing. I understand it's not enforceable but something has got to be done!
I was fishing a local river yesterday with a friend. A driftboat came through and straight up corked him, casting directly where he had been as the rower positioned the boat in the middle of the small run in front of him. I've seen this sort of behavior enough that I think it may be a silent majority that has had it with the boats.
Three days a week would reduce the out of town people. That's especially true if they are not consecutive. We can't have people from Finland or Sweden coming to fish. Petosa would be pissed!
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The only rule I was interested in was a no nymphing rule. I did not care about the sidedrifters and cork soakers but I really would like no nymphing. I understand it's not enforceable but something has got to be done!
I was fishing a local river yesterday with a friend. A driftboat came through and straight up corked him, casting directly where he had been as the rower positioned the boat in the middle of the small run in front of him. I've seen this sort of behavior enough that I think it may be a silent majority that has had it with the boats.
Three days a week would reduce the out of town people. That's especially true if they are not consecutive. We can't have people from Finland or Sweden coming to fish. Petosa would be pissed!
Go Sox,
cds
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It's going to be a shit show every way you slice it due to the 14 day season. If it's 14 consecutive days you'll have dudes taking a whole week off work and camping on runs because it's their only chance to fish it. If you spread out those 14 days, you help avoid some of that. It will still be a shit show but much less of one compared to 14 consecutive days....assuming of course the river is in shape.
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Yeah Fri - Sun would really get it busy. Any idea of how the Sauk/Suiattle situation is panning out?? I recall at the Sedro meeting the bio guy talked about opening the Suiattle although history had not included this in any openers. Also - will it be legal to target Bull trout?
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The Suiattle was not included in the Mar. - Apr. season in the past. Opening it would be kind of a false promise, as in, "see, we provided more miles of sport fishing opportunity," when it is well enough known that steelhead numbers are low and access is poor, and floating is for experts in rafts, no hard boats.
There is no directed bull trout season on the Skagit or tribs, but it's legal to retain them when the river(s) are open to game fish retention. There are bull trout available in March, but their numbers are thinning out as they drift downstream toward the Bay foraging on juvenile Chinook, pink, and chum fry. By April the Bay is a virtual stew of feed, so any bull trout still hanging upriver are missing out on a big meal.
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There is no directed bull trout season on the Skagit or tribs, but it's legal to retain them when the river(s) are open to game fish retention. There are bull trout available in March, but their numbers are thinning out as they drift downstream toward the Bay foraging on juvenile Chinook, pink, and chum fry. By April the Bay is a virtual stew of feed, so any bull trout still hanging upriver are missing out on a big meal.
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I wish they wouldn't even bother with the suiattle. Funding enforcement is the limiting factor here, and adding the suiattle stretches those resources due to it's location. Its too expensive for the amount of opportunity it provides. I'd rather cut it out and apply the cost savings to a few more days on the skagit/Sauk open areas.
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Thanks
Great info and good to know
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I think WDFW understands that. They seemed to at least. It seems like they only kept the Suiattle and upper Skagit as possibilities is for a potential high run size. Maybe it's something they could do in the future. Certainly at Mill Creek the public quickly understood the choices they were asking thanks to a well behaved group and Curt Kramer. He did a great job in what was a cooperative event.
The Sedro event may not have yielded the same level of thoughtful responses. Essentially, many of the crowd was there to bitch rather than cooperate. I think you see that in the response rate being 8% lower. WDFW came to the area to ask for input on the fishery. That's a good thing. The locals could have been better behaved and tried to cooperate. Unfortunately, it turned into an 8th grade class with a substitute teacher. I'm sure that the quality of the responses suffered for that.
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