"Chopaka Needs Big Fish"

I also note there is no plan to use any of these in Chopaka. Everybody will just have to wait until the planted fish grow to size.

Jerry[/QUOTE]

In addition to the regular Chopaka plant the WSCFFF and various fly clubs are working with the WDFW to fund a program where approx. 1000 1 1/2 lb. diploids from Trout Lodge will be used to enhance the Chopaka fishery. The DrySiders and several other clubs have already commited to this worthwhile project and if 20 clubs or more participate it can be accomplished for $150. per club. If you're a member of a flyfishing club this is your chance to offer support, hopefully all the clubs contacted will give this 100% support. "Chopaka Needs Big Fish".

 

What are Diploids?

 

They are a tad special.

 

Then they should be easier to catch. :thumb:

 

Special, but loads of fun. I am always excited when I hook into one on short afternoon trips at Rattlesnake here in North Bend. They throw something extra into the mix.

 

What are diploids? why are they special? I thought "normal" fish were diploid. I love those trips, though. Got into some nice ones last year. Want more.

 

Cutt,
Normal trout are diploids, as are all other fish or animals for that matter that reproduce sexually.

 

Andy -
Are you going to major in fisheries at UM? If so, you'll soon learn that most salmonids are tetraploids, which is rare among vertebrates, where salmonids are perhaps the best-studied tetraploid group. Tetraploids are relatively common in plants, however.

Tetraploids, of course, can reproduce like diploids, because they have an even number of chromosomes to pair during sexual reproduction, unlike triploids. There is a tendency to refer to all species with an even number of chromosome complements capable of pairing properly as 'diploid,' but it technically isn't correct.

D

 

Just my opinion, but having less triploids planted isn't such a bad thing. I personally can't stand the things. The only thing worse then a triploid is a finless missile brooder.
Anyone who got to fish some of the great Eastern Wa lakes in their prime, you'd understand. All of those lakes produced awesome fish by being planted with fly and catchables (diploids), not triploids.
Triploids have been a flop in selective waters such as Dry Falls. It is sad that some once great lakes now get stocked with these to provide a temporary boost to angling success.
If triploids produced as well as their press clippings, you'd be catching some serious Rufus Woods sized hogs right now out of Dry Falls.

I will agree they have their place. They provide good angling opportunities for kids and put and take fisheries such as Rufus Woods.

 

They provide good angling opportunities for kids and put and take fisheries such as Rufus Woods.

Stonefish, I think that WDFW must share your opinion as I think only about 1% of the triploids will go to C&R lakes this year.

 

That is one very big beef I have with the WDFW stocking program. They advertise triploids to sell additional licenses but then state that triploids are special in that they don't reproduce so all somatic growth goes into fish size rather than reproductive organs. They encourage the release of fish so they can maximize their growing potential but then stock them in well-known put and take fisheries where the fish don't have a chance to show what they can do because they are harvested by the first bait chucker to come along. Don't get me wrong, I know bait fishing in lakes has its place. I'd rather see them there than wacking wild steelhead. But it just seems like stocking triploid trout in put and take waters is a big waste.

 

looks like LAWNT is gonna be pissed this year at Beaver Lake
must be due to the crooks who stole all the trout from
the issaquah hatchery ........... that had to cost $$$

 

looks like LAWNT is gonna be pissed this year at Beaver Lake
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Hey Jason, the new kids don't know what LAWNT is, we need a faq

Daryle

 

Jason I thought most of those fish were broodstock, not triploids?

 

Andy, you have one of the best eye's for telling fish apart

I'm sure you can figure this one out...

 

I thought Roy was being sarcastic, saying that triploids are DIPloids, making fun of them being hatchery fish. I didn't know he was asking that question on the topic of DI-PlOID reproduction. Maybe a small hyphen could have helped. I know that most fish are diploids, and triploids are well, triploids.

So these days fisheries workers have found a new way to produce triploid eggs. They vary the amount of hydrostatic pressure and time on normal DIPLOID trout eggs, to get them to turn into TETRAPLOID eggs, and then these new tetraploid trout are crossbred with normal DIPLOID trout, resulting in a 100% TRIPLOID success ratio, so essentially A triploid is a haploid Rainbow crossbred with a tetraploid rainbow.....ALWAYS 100% of the time resulting in a TRIPLOID, which end up sterile due to the odd number of chromosomes. Before this new method, workers JUST induced hydrostatic pressure onto normal diploid trout eggs, to yield triploids, but this was only around 65% effective.

TOO MANY LOIDS!

 

I thought Roy was being sarcastic

You got me there buddy. I haven't hooked a Diploid in quite some time.

 

Richard, trout are diploid. They are believed to have a tetraploid ancestry meaning that at some point (actually a couple points) they likely underwent a tetraploidization event where their diploid genome was doubled - leaving them multiple copies of many genes. It makes them interesting (ie. difficult) to study.

Eric

 

Jason,
The Issaquah Hatchery doesn't raise triploids. The triploids are purchased by the state from private hatcheries for stocking. I believe they buy them from Trout Lodge in Erphrata.

 

well, that fish is clearly a triploid

 

Jason,
Never said it wasn't. Your fish looks like a triploid to me also. My point is they don't raise and plant triploids in Beaver Lake from the Issaquah Hatchery, as far as I know. I remember the fish being stolen, but I don't believe they were triploids as Zen had mentioned.

Please correct me if I'm wrong that triploids are purchased from a private hatchery and then stocked in lakes statewide.

Just an FYI, Beaver will still get 250 Triploids in April per the WDFW news release.

 

Funny, because that started the whole "genetic" discussion about the different reprodcution strains of trout.

 

Daryle,
Some new kids do.
Isn't there one or more that show up at every lake after trips are planted? I've even seen the rare toothed variety.

 

I say you define LAWNT right here and now.

 

Do a search on this website and you will be rewarded grasshopper.:thumb:

 

250 is down from the last few plants of 2500, 3000 + ( cant remember exactly )

i know that those fish in beaver were brought in from the issaquah hatchery
as i talked to the folks at the hatchery and took my kid to see them a few times.

maybe they bring them in from the farm, but they do grow those planted fish there. they keep them in the south east pen closest to the office by the masonic lodge.

 

Nice crappy pic!