I don't think much of his proffesion. Moral failure is the norm.

Go Sox,
cds

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable to hate to see him go out like this. Penn state has been a pretty bright beacon in terms of not being dragged down in the mud like so many div 1 schools.

But it's also perfectly reasonable to say "What the fuck man? What is wrong with you?" to him (and to everyone who didn't get off their ass and try to help those boys).

 

But it's also perfectly reasonable to say "What the fuck man? What is wrong with you?" to him (and to everyone who didn't get off their ass and try to help those boys).

^^This^^

 

This is what happens when "student athletics" becomes a big...no, huge business. Guys like JoePa and his staff become coddled untouchables.

 

Yeah, who do they think they are, the Catholic church?
(And I can say that, I was raised one.)

 

I don't know where I'd net out, but I have been deep within the crucible of a large organization. You raise an issue and clearly see which way the winds blow and know you won't make any further progress no matter how ardent your are. This depends on the case and this seems pretty bad.

Joe

 

Bullshit. JoePa WAS Penn state athletics....anything he wanted done was done. But $50 million a year is persuasive.

They say he isn't a target but don't people in education have a legal obligation to report abuse? How does he get a pass?

He should have been fired yesterday and I hope he lives his remaining years in shame....If they rescind wins for financial viloations this should wipe his record out.....

 

Penn State Football and Wrestling are two reasons why I don't fish as much as I would like to. The article below says it well!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/931533-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-scandal

 

Don't blame "student athletics" for this. Read your local paper and you will see child abuse at all levels of our society. Kennewick HS had the namesake on it's new music hall arrested for abusing kids should we blame "band programs" for that whacko? It is the aproved alone time that gives the power these guys have over the children.

Don't let your kid be alone in private areas with an adult. You make the rules.

 

Don't let your kid be alone in private areas with an adult. You make the rules.

And if someone reports child abuse (or, you know, you see it happening in a shower stall), call the fucking cops. Don't just pass the buck upstairs like a chickenshit.

 

If you are getting your info off the TV and Newspaper then you all are no better. There isn't much truth to either one! I'm sure not all facts are out there, and we may never know. I will wait and see what happens in the next month or so before I make a decision on the whole thing.
Yes what happen is dead wrong but I'm sure we don't have it all yet.

 

Go read the Grand Jury Report. The facts are there.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/sandusky-grand-jury-report/

Direct link to pdf:

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf

Be warned though, it is sickening to read. Grown men failed here and JoePa is one of them. They could have saved some of these poor boys a lifetime of pain and they did not.

As for Sandusky, I hope he gets what's coming to him in federal prison. And I hope he gets it every night for the rest of his life.

 

I have always been an admirer of Joe P. and the Penn State football program. What I'm not understanding is what happened to bring this again out again now? I don't recall any thing like this back in 2002 and I'm not making the connection as to why 9 years have passed and now it is news again.

 

You don't recall anything like this back in 2002 because nobody who knew about it actually took it to law enforcement like they should have. It took the mother of an abused boy and high school officials going to the cops in 2009 to start along the path to the federal investigation that resulted in the charges against Sandusky and the others. Had JoePa or the guy who saw the kid getting raped, or the president of the college or anyone else gone to the cops in 2002 like you figure any reasonable person would have done, you WOULD have heard about it back then. But nobody did and more kids got abused and Sandusky had access to college facilities and an office there and still ran his kids charity and the public didn't know a damn thing about it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Attributed to Edmund Burke but probably more of a paraphrasing of his ideas than anything he actually said.

 

Thanks Josh. So nothing happened from 2002 to 2009 when the parents started investigating and got the cops involved. So during those 7 years nobody has done nothing? And the investigation has been going on for the past two years and has just now surfaced to the media?

 

As for Sandusky I do agree. As for the rest, it shows that some know more then others and how much they all knew we will not know. Again till we find out all of it, I'm not going to throw all in the fire yet.

 

IMO Joe, and everyone else that knew this was going on, is as guilty as Sandusky. How many kids suffered at his hands while Penn State (yes like the Catholic Church) protected their reputation? Disgusting!

 

Where do you see Joe P knowing anything that he didn't report to his superior? He never says Paterno witnessed anything, the grad assistant did and reported what he saw the next day to Paterno who reported it to his superior. That person who is the VP of Penn State University was told of the details and neglected to report it. It is not clear the grad assistant told Paterno the extent of the abuse. We can't blame Paterno if he has been hung out to dry by people who may have been trying to protect him by not telling him the details.

Sandusky is a predator for sure. I would bet he is trying to normalize the rape/abuse he took as a child from a superior. That is the opinon of an amatuer psycholigist/golf instructor so don't take it to seriously.

This is a sad story at alot of levels.

 

For the record, I’m from PA and a ’91 PSU alumnus. Nobody from the university reported the 2002 incident to the police (although Paterno reported it up the chain of command to the AD and ultimately it was reported to Gary Schultz who incidentally had oversight of the university police for those of you wondering why the “VP for business and finance” got involved). As for what “any reasonable person” would have done, well, that’s open to debate depending on who the person is. Considering Paterno, based on the indictment, it’s not clear what Mike McQueary told Paterno and we don’t know what Paterno told the AD. It’s possible (although doubtful in my mind) that Paterno did the reasonable thing based on what he was told. As far as McQueary’s actions, although very questionable, there are some other circumstances to consider. McQueary played HS football with Sandusky’s son and obviously Sandusky was one his coaches at PSU, so presumably McQueary had strong, 10 year plus relationship with Sandusky. In light of that, McQueary’s actions are somewhat understandable - he may very well have been in a state of shock regarding the locker room incident and his subsequent actions were then based on the guidance he received from his father (who also had a relationship with Sandusky).
Nevertheless, based on the indictment, there’s no doubt in my mind that Sandusky is guilty and based on what I have read I have pretty much concluded that all parties involved here were guided by their interests, followed by the perceived interests of the university and the football program as opposed to the victims (and potential victims) and getting a pedophile off the streets. That’s inexcusable to me, and I understand the outrage. Joe

 

Reporting it to his superior was not enough for the kids that were molested after Joe and his superior knew about it.

Do you think for a minute he just walked in and reported it and then nothing was ever said again?

If I reported something like that to my boss and I keep seeing the guy at work everyday I'm going to ask what the F is going on. And take it to the authorities myself...that's a cop out...if this is proven, they need to tatoo "I'm a child molester" or "I enable child molesters" on their foreheads and throw everyone that knew anything about this in prison...and let the boys in there do with them as they please.

 

If I reported something like that to my boss and I keep seeing the guy at work everyday I'm going to ask what the F is going on. And take it to the authorities myself...that's a cop out...

iagreeiagreei

 

Paterno reported what someone else saw to the Vp of Penn State University. It's not like he called the Athletic director or some alumni to cover it up. Yeah I agree in hindsight he didn't go far enough but let's not lose sight of the fact that he did report it.

 

Yeah I agree in hindsight he didn't go far enough but let's not lose sight of the fact that he did report it.

I don't think the parents of any of the victims after this incident will be standing in line to give him a medal for that.

 

Someone at your workplace tells you they witnessed a coworker commiting a violent felony against a child at your place of work and you tell your boss! Let's say the grad assistant and Joe P. didn't work there, just two people visiting the campus. Who should they report it to? Iis it different since they are associated with the school? If you are are afraid of repercusions then why do you work for an organization that puts it's intrest above the safety of children? Shouldn't Joe have handed his cell phone to the grad assitant and said, "who's calling 911, me or you?"

 

who here would not have rescued that boy, pummeled Sandusky and left him on the floor, clothed the boy, then called the police right away? Anyone?
Another thing, if there are nine boys known to have been raped I quarantee you there were many more boys hurt and damaged over those long years. I treated sex offenders and abuse survivors in therapeutic settings so I am well-informed on the topic. There is lots of blame to be shouted out and it looks like most of it is deserved. Sex offenders don't stop. THey don't stop. I could tell you stories...

 

I couldnt agree more, how the janitor walked by and didnt return with a lead pipe to finish that chimo off is beyond me.

Personally I cant believe this happend under Joe's watch.

Even to make this creepier I was recruited by PSU and I still have a pile of letters signed by Sandusky

 

What pisses me off the most is the Joe had a chance to be a REAL hero.

 

Didn't this really start in 1999, when Sandusky resigned unexpectedly. He quit at age 55, which should be prime time for a coach and someone who was a possible successor to Paterno. So why did he quit???
My thoughts are this fire started long before the reported 2002 incident, which makes it even more egregious that it wasn't report to the police.
Joe Paterno need to go now, not at the end of the season.

 

Yeah, it's sure sounding that way:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/s...tball/aftermath-of-1998-sandusky-investigation-raises-additional-questions.html

 

And to be honest, I don't see how anyone could read that article about the 1998 investigation and still give JoePa a pass on this. You telling me the god of State College didn't know that his defensive coordinator was involved with an investigation like this? I suppose it's possible, but I find it HIGHLY unlikely. Particularly since Sandusky went from being labeled as "Paterno's successor" to someone who was completely out of coaching football by 1999. You don't think word got around about what happened in 1998? Any whiff of a possibility that Sandusky was doing the EXACT sort of thing that he had been doing in 1998 should have set off alarm bells for everyone. Yeah, the guys higher up are the ones who really need the asskicking (aside from sandusky obviously). But I find it REALLY hard to believe that JoePa somehow just "missed the boat" on this whole thing.

He failed as a human. Failing in one way or another is something we all do. But just as we all have to pay for our failures, so should he. One mistake doesn't negate the good he has done when the whole of his life is considered. But nor does that good excuse a failure of this magnitude.

 

He failed as a human. Failing in one way or another is something we all do. But just as we all have to pay for our failures, so should he. One mistake doesn't negate the good he has done when the whole of his life is considered. But nor does that good excuse a failure of this magnitude.

You said it.

I want to hear/read his explanation at some point before I totally pass judgement... he has done a lot of good. We all make mistakes...some are more costly than others but this is about as big as it gets. Still, if they are laying out blame, it has to start from the top and work its way down, meaning the president and the AD should be held to a higher accountability. With more duty and responsibility comes more accountability.

 

It's all outlined in the indictment. The first incident occurred in 1998 and it was investigated by the State College Police Department but no charges resulted. It's hasn't been established that Sandusky was forced out as a result, but in light of what is now known it's certainly not a stretch to conclude that the 98 incident (and god knows what else) was the reason he abruptly retired in 1999. Additionally, there is the curious account of Paterno famously blowing off Sandusky at his retirement dinner. Seems Paterno couldn’t stomach attending an honorary dinner for Sandusky back in 99 but yet was somehow ok with the administration allowing him access to the campus with emeritus status as recently as last week. As far as I'm concerned, they need to immediately clean house - fire all the staff with any connection to this (and deal with the wrongful termination issues later), reach out to the victims, physically destroy the football locker room facility where that abuse happened, establish the largest scholarship fund for sex abuse victims, and set-aside a big pile of their endowment money to research ways to help prevent abuse and treat abuse victims.

 

It's all outlined in the indictment. The first incident occurred in 1998 and it was investigated by the State College Police Department but no charges resulted. It's hasn't been established that Sandusky was forced out as a result, but in light of what is now known it's certainly not a stretch to conclude that the 98 incident (and god knows what else) was the reason he abruptly retired in 1999. Additionally, there is the curious account of Paterno famously blowing off Sandusky at his retirement dinner. Seems Paterno couldn't stomach attending an honorary dinner for Sandusky back in 99 but yet was somehow ok with the administration allowing him access to the campus with emeritus status as recently as last week. As far as I'm concerned, they need to immediately clean house - fire all the staff with any connection to this (and deal with the wrongful termination issues later), reach out to the victims, physically destroy the football locker room facility where that abuse happened, establish the largest scholarship fund for sex abuse victims, and set-aside a big pile of their endowment money to research ways to help prevent abuse and treat abuse victims.

This. And you should be granted a new screen name!

 

Well, the self righteous, pontificators get their wish. Joe Pa is done. I'm sure all of you would have jumped right in and done the right thing had you been in this man's position. Could any of you really walk a half mile in this man's shoes?

 

What the fuck, really? Are you really asking if I would have gone to the cops if I heard that a guy I knew to be a problem with young boys was AGAIN caught messing around with them in the showers? Hell yes I would have. Or maybe you are asking if I had seen a 60 year old man ass raping a small boy in the shower if I would have jumped right in and done something? Are you out of your mind?

That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read on this forum. Anyone who says to them selves "well I sure don't know if I would have helped that little boy" is a pathetic pile of shit.

 

Anybody who attempts to inject 'situational' ethics into this extreme moral and criminal transgression upon a child has serious personal problems. Such perpetrators...and their tacit accomplices, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....and where that is not lawfully possibly, they well deserve the revulsion that decent society levels upon such deviants. What would you feel about JoPa's behavior if that was your 10 year old son (or grandson) in the shower with Sandusky? Does the 'reputation' and 'honor' of Penn State football even figure into the equation?

 

It has come to light that Paterno never once confronted Sandusky or even talked to him about IT. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. No athletic program is worth the torture off one child, but that is what was condoned.

Signed: Self-righteous pontificator

 

Have you noticed how this was all kept hush-hush until Paterno became the all time winningest coach in history a couple of weeks ago? For a few days he was the most celebrated coach in the history of the game. Fast forward to now and he is gone, disgraced and humiliated. His record is forever sullied and essentially meaningless now.

The stand-up guy didn't stand up when it counted.

Ive

 

The stand-up guy didn't stand up when it counted.

Ive

Amen to that! And all to save the reputation of a college sports program. Wow!