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Small Companies and our Fly Shops

1.2K views 6 replies 5 participants last post by  Sourdoughs  
#1 ·
Lately I have noticed a lot of companies are selling their gear direct, instead of how they once went to the local shops for distribution and support. This hurts fly shop a lot worse than some think. We, anglers see we can get the rod or whatever peice of gear for maybe 5 dollars cheaper from the factory and we jump on it not realizing the problems we are causing. For those who work, own, or now how a shop works this bad. It also hurts the company who is selling them direct; say for example Nice Drag Reel Co. decides to go into Acme flyshop and wants to sell the new reels through the shop. The reel company now has an "allie" might one say. The shop is now selling this great new reel and in return the reel company is doing very well and is earning a good reputation in the angling world. Hypothetically, if the reel company goes into financial trouble the shop at least can back them and the customers who bought the reels. Now lets say the reel company had originally decided to sell their reels strait from the factory. Not only is this hurting the local shops, but it also puts a potential danger to the reel company and its soon to be customers. So for the first year or so the reel company is not doing so good because lack of exploitation and word just hasnt got out enough to really have good enough profits to keep going. But then the fly fishing show rolls around and everybody is going nuts about these new Nice Drag reels. Now everybody wants one and goes strait to the maker to get them. Not only do shops see a decline in reel sales but the reel company is having to keep up with demand now that word has gotten out. So the company now needs so and so amount of reels out pronto and no money to build them. And one thing leads to another and they go bankrupt. Now all those who have already bought the reels are stranded on a desert island that doesnt have any fishing. So when the drag goes out on little Timmys reel where is he going to go to get it fixed? Nobody except the designers KNOW the reels, and they are done for. So Tim takes it to Acme Flyshop and wants it fixed. But John Shopowner doesnt know the reel nor does he want to fix it since the company decided to go with the "more money is better then happy customers" option. If you ask any long time shop owner or worker he will tell you sales of rods, reels, ... have gone a lot in the last ten years. All the major successful companies are still here because they are supported by the shops and thus are aloud to have awesome customer service because they know that the shops need them and want their products in the store. Sometimes customer service and the support of shops can make a company. Ross, Sage, Winston, Tibor, ... didnt get where they are today because they told shops to hell with you I will go independent. Orvis' quality has been questioned in the past few years, but one thing is for certain and that is their customer service and help is awesome. This problem can eliminate the shops that are new but have great potential and may destroy shops that have been around 10+ years and have been a second home to people like you and me. I do realize that there are way to many fly shops out there, I mean 7 shops in west yellowstone? That is insane, some of those shops are legendary in their own rights and montana probably wouldnt be the same without them but to have that many in a small tourist town is out of control. I am not saying these shops or companies are bad but if you walk into montana and say "I want to build a fly shop right here," not only are you joining the masses but you hurt those great shops down the street that fly fishing and the town wouldnt be the same without them there.
There are other reasons shops go down besides the previous couple, like short siding you guides and not paying them their deserving amount. Our "second homes" are declining in sales and have caused some of the biggest shops in the fly fishing world to be put up for sale and all those new small shops that have great people running them to be rejected and put to sleep. If a small difference in price makes you go through the company and not your local shop than you need to take this into consideration. I realize some companys dont want anything to do with fly shops and you cant get the new rod from your shop, then fine. Usually if a shop doesnt carry it, it is for a reason. Either the company is to caught up in the money to sell them throught the shop or they dont think the shop will carry it. The shop owners has undoubtably seen it, that is not the reason they dont carry it, it is usually because the shop doesnt think it is good enough for their prized long time customers or the company simply wont sell it to the shop. I realize there are exceptions in everything, but those "exceptions" dont become that way by shooting out into the market and selling all they can at one time, they do it by excellent service and quality which in turn keeps the customers happy and coming back. Next time you buy a peice of gear from an independant company ask them why they dont sell through shops and make sure you get an honest answer. And it if is not a good reason or they are pulling you leg encourage them to go through shops and help out the fly fishing community, not their own wallets. I know that I would rather pay 300 bucks for a new rod from my favorite shop than 265 bucks through the maker because I have seen what it does to shops when customers start buying direct. Just something to think about when you are shopping for new gear next time. :ray1:
But on a better note, lets remember this sport isnt about the money, because if it was about the money none of us would be here as this sport isnt cheap. :beer2:
 
#2 ·
Dan, Try this out... Start a small company. Say clothing. Now try to get a good sales rep that works enough territory and likes your product enough to pick up your line to sell to shops. You'll see that if your product isn't proven or already has some sort of a name, either through length in business, word of mouth or a big advertising campaigne... most shops will not buy jack from you. They really have no reason to, cause it's not gonna sell. Why would they take the extra time to sell an unknown Madison Angler Shell Jacket.. When they can sell a Loop Jacket with out lifting a finger?

So it makes sense for small companies to sell direct for awhile until they have proven they are in it for the long haul. Being able to fill orders on a nation wide scale is something most start ups cannot handle. Starting small and making enough capitol to make bigger things happen is how most companies you know by name got that way.

As for shops going out of business.. there are hundreds of reasons, economy, internet, bad location, improper manegment, etc...
 
#3 ·
While I agree with most of your assessment. One thing you didn't mention is the fact that most of these small companies can't compete with the big names. Poor joe Schmoe sitting in his little workshop pounding out premium Reels and rods can't afford to sell in bulk like the bigs guys. And in order to sell them through the fly shops they will have to cut there prices and most of these little shops have very little if any room for profit margin. While most of these small companies sell through the internet some do suggest you order thru your local fly shop. But alot of the fly shops don't want to because they realize there cut will be minimal at best which is not wrong for them to think that way because they have to make a living too. but what's the incentive when you can bulk order from a big name brand at a discount thus creating a larger profit for yourself? I am all in favor of supporting local fly shops and think they are an important part of our community and we need to treasure that. I always try to buy my supplies from local shops and would perfer to do so. but I will go on the internet and search for the Deal because I can't always afford the prices in the local shops. Hey that 44 dollars you save on a reel could buy you a good fly line which I would definitely buy at the local shop. If I am not making any sense just hit me in the head and tell me to go about my way.
 
#4 ·
I realize that a small business takes a while to get going, as i have talked this over with my mom who is a small business owner. But i am not targeting the companies who just popped up, i respect them very much because I know they are doing something that they think will help others or are making something better or more advanced then what is out there. There are plenty of companies that have been around long enough and have established reputations but still refuse to sell through fly shops. I have seen people who have something new walk in right in front of my eyes and confront a store owner and show them a product that they beleive in and I watched that store owner research the product, what ever it may be and decide on whether to carry it regardless of name. I realize not all shop owners are willing to look at the smaller guys, but at one point every body was small and have grown to what they are today buy doing stuff like this, and buy getting their product going by selling a few buy them selves is great way to get it tested and feedback. That is when you go to fly shops and present it, although i dont think you need a rep until you have a few shops under your belt.
I also have seen somebody walk in cast a few rods in the parking lot, and then come back a week later and tell the got it off ebay?!?!?!?! Stunning isnt it, you give a casting lesson so somebody can make a wise desicion on a rod and they go and buy it off ebay.
Any who, the moral is support you local fly shops, for some it has been tough lately. :beer2:
 
#5 ·
iagree Whole heartedly!

I get a lot of value from my local fly shop. I ask questions, bounce ideas off them, and learn a lot from them. They're an invaluable resource and I don't consider this stuff "free". I know I can't go to the big chain retailer and get any information worth a damn, nor can I get that info from an online mega-shop. :rofl:

So, for me, I'll spend whatever money I can at my local shop because I want them to be there year after year. I figure one should be willing to pay for that which one values. Just my 2 cents.
 
#6 ·
I am a beginning fly fisherman, gearing-up over the last two seasons. I bought my rod, reel, flies and line local. But for everything else I've shoped for best price from mail order and on-line firms. I have saved hundreds of dollars with this approach. I imagine I am not alone in taking this approach which, for me, is the only way I can afford to get into the sport.
 
#7 ·
Owl:

There's where it gets sticky, and each person has to weigh it themselves. First priority is to get the equipment you need, second is to get it from the "best" source. If you can't equip due to prices at your local, you can't fish, and you're stuck.

However, if you have a choice and CAN spend the money at the shop and you do value them, then I say do it.